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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    In my opinion law enforcement get the benefit of the doubt in this situation. They do not hire any old Joe of the street for law enforcement positions, there are background checks, references etc. Law enforcement officers are not infallible but the whole point of giving them a badge is saying we are saying law enforcement is necessary and we give these departments the authority to enforce the laws.

    Things simply would not function if everyone could question/ and disrespect law enforcement officers on everything. We would be back to the wild wild west.

    Walking off in the middle of an officer writing a citation is blatant disrespect, and I can't imagine it would go well if you drove off while a traffic officer was writing you a citation.


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    "A federal park ranger is under investigation for using a Taser stun gun on a northern California man who didn't cooperate with a citation for his unleashed lapdog, authorities said."

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz1lETEU5CX







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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    "A federal park ranger is under investigation for using a Taser stun gun on a northern California man who didn't cooperate with a citation for his unleashed lapdog, authorities said."

    Read more: Park ranger used Taser on man over unleashed dog: authorities - NY Daily News
    That's an update. The original article did not (and could not) have details that have come to light during the subsequent investigation.

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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post
    A ridiculous assertion. In fact, the exact opposite is true. Mindless fealty to authority figures is why we're on the long slide to mediocrity and poverty. We've lost the rugged individualism that made this nation strong.
    That rugged individualism included the ideal that people actually followed the rules for the most part, and that they expected to deal with the consequences when they did not follow the rules.

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    Why would you prefer a form of government that is demonstrably inferior to decentralized forms of government?
    Because I have little to no trust or faith in the decency and morality of the general public at any level. Therefore I believe we need an overarching Governmental system to impose decency on the people as a whole.

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    Advocating the cold-blooded murder of someone who violated a petty park ordinance is beyond insane, it's psychopathic.
    Pain and Fear are the only two Universally motivating factors in human beings. Sometimes you have to make an example of one or two in order to remind the others the consequences of stepping out of line.

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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Pain and Fear are the only two Universally motivating factors in human beings.
    While pain (and it's corollary fear, which is the expectation of pain) is in the Top 5 of motivators it's far from first place. Reproduction is the biggest universal motivator. If it weren't we wouldn't be here. Food (and sometimes the perception of future gains in food) is also a huge motivator - probably #2 on the list. Pleasure is also right up there in the Top 5 even when not attached to reproduction or food. Few people would starve to death rather than steal food even if pain is a virtual guarantee for stealing. A hot chick (if that's your sexual leaning) can motivate someone just as much if not more than a huge brute with a promise of pain (fear).
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    While pain (and it's corollary fear, which is the expectation of pain) is in the Top 5 of motivators it's far from first place. Reproduction is the biggest universal motivator. If it weren't we wouldn't be here. Food (and sometimes the perception of future gains in food) is also a huge motivator - probably #2 on the list. Pleasure is also right up there in the Top 5 even when not attached to reproduction or food. Few people would starve to death rather than steal food even if pain is a virtual guarantee for stealing. A hot chick (if that's your sexual leaning) can motivate someone just as much if not more than a huge brute with a promise of pain (fear).
    UNIVERSAL Motivators, MO. Food is the only UNIVERSAL concept you've mentioned. For one, I have no interest in Reproduction. I know others who have no interest in Pleasure. FEAR and PAIN do truly motivate every individual in the world. This is a topic for another time and place, however.

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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    UNIVERSAL Motivators, MO. Food is the only UNIVERSAL concept you've mentioned. For one, I have no interest in Reproduction. I know others who have no interest in Pleasure. FEAR and PAIN do truly motivate every individual in the world. This is a topic for another time and place, however.
    I agree it's too big to address as a side issue but I will leave you with these thoughts. First, I can't imagine anyone not interested in sex - must be some medical issue 'cause it sure ain't normal. Second, pain and pleasure are often considered two sides of the same coin (though I'm not sure I agree with that).

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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's an update. The original article did not (and could not) have details that have come to light during the subsequent investigation.
    Here comes the park spin to the rescue. It was abusive given the nature of the incident. Until I hear something more conclusive, I still say she needs to be tasered for a while herself. Just you imagine if this had been a male ranger tasering a female walking her dog. Yeah, he would have been on suspension and probably fired.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Anyone who wilfully disobeys an armed law officer in the execution of her duty, deserves whatever comes his way.
    Yeah, I love your Gestapo mentality.
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    Re: Ranger zaps off-leash dog walker with shock weapon

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Here comes the park spin to the rescue. It was abusive given the nature of the incident. Until I hear something more conclusive, I still say she needs to be tasered for a while herself. Just you imagine if this had been a male ranger tasering a female walking her dog. Yeah, he would have been on suspension and probably fired.
    If that's directed at me then you missed some earlier posts. When MaggieD asked what the ranger should have done my response was:
    If the suspect in question is not a threat then the best course would be continued surveillance and a radio call for back-up ...
    The reasons a LEO might use a taser shouldn't be much different than those for using any lethal weapon (a baton is a lethal weapon). To me it's a (usually) non-lethal substitute for a lethal weapon. (There are times when firearm use is warranted, too.) Given only the facts in the OP the ranger should not have used the taser.

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