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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The welfare aspect isn't moot. If a parent not on welfare tests positive for drugs in the work place then that work place should report the parent. If a parent on welfare tests positive for drugs then an investigation into the welfare of the child should ensue. Children in poverty have a great need of care and support than children outside of poverty, so if a little bit of government intervention into children known to live in poverty (through the parent's application) helps prevent these children from stagnating then I'm all for it.
    Why just poverty? Why stop there? Why not be an advocate for all children? I mean, if you're going to disregard the ideals of our Constitution and due process and so on, then do it right.

    Seriously, I think most of the people (not necessarily you specifically, I'm speaking generically now) who want drug testing for welfare recipients are really more worried about control of their money (and other's lives)... though they portray it as concern for public money to give the illusion of noble intent... than they are actually worried about the lives of welfare recipients.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    <------ can I please have the "User" comment removed or at least changed to something not drug related. This topic has now made me feel judged and singled out and I am not a "User."

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Why just poverty? Why stop there? Why not be an advocate for all children? I mean, if you're going to disregard the ideals of our Constitution and due process and so on, then do it right.

    Seriously, I think most of the people (not necessarily you specifically, I'm speaking generically now) who want drug testing for welfare recipients are really more worried about control of their money (and other's lives)... though they portray it as concern for public money to give the illusion of noble intent... than they are actually worried about the lives of welfare recipients.
    Surely you understand that cocaine use in the executive suite is much, far, oh totally different from a welfare mom lighting up a joint, don't you? Why, it's like night and day... like... like...



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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    <------ can I please have the "User" comment removed or at least changed to something not drug related. This topic has now made me feel judged and singled out and I am not a "User."

    Thanks
    Relax and have a bong-hit.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    What makes illegal drugs different or worse than alcohol, nicotine, or caffeine?
    the latter three are better at lobbying, apparently.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the latter three are better at lobbying, apparently.
    That, too. Probably have some big labor unions involved, also.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    If employers can regulate drug use because it affects the health of the employee and the employer is responsible for providing insurance, then they should be able to control almost everything about a person's life, then. What food they eat, how much they work out, how they drive, their sexual habits, etc. There's really not very many things we do that do not affect our health in some way.
    I will agree, employers shouldn't be involved in insurance. We should have universal public healthcare. But giving some people (the ones with money) the power to control so much of others' (those without money) lives is just plain wrong. It's contrary to America's ideals of freedom.
    I cannot believe you wrote that.

    First, employment is optional. Health care via employer, is optional. Employers are not the actual insurance company you use if you get it through them. I have had health care outside employer, through employer, and now through self-employment. Easy peasy, I am free to a large degree, and the employer is one of millions, optional, and isn't the actualy health insurance provider.

    Second, if you are arguing that health care via employer (see above, that's wrong anyway) is bad, then how do you proceed to then suggest health insurance through the federal government, is good? I would have thought that would be an example, following your above logic, of the absolute worst it could be! No choice. No freedom. Controlled by the most poweful and wealthy government in the world. Can use it as an excuse to control any number of things which it directly pays for...which is far more than what any EMPLOYER pays for (roads, welfare, emergency care, security, etc., etc).

    But giving some people the power to control so much of others' lives is just plain wrong.
    Then why do you support just the opposite in your own post(!), and in nearly every post about government you make!?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    All this makes me wonder....Can you drug test an applicant for a job in California for marijuana these days?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    I am on the fence about drug testing welfare recipients but if you asked me to vote yes or no right now I would say no. But comparing welfare recipients no matter if they are worthy enough to receive benefits to those who are taxed and who contribute to the tax base and to the economic welfare of the country is beyond all sense. Let's not demean those people who are unfortunate and need a hand up but let's put it perspective that they contribute nothing while on the government payroll. Let the government decide the tax on capital gains. Criticize them, not the people who are making a legitimate living. I recieve capital gains on my meager investments. It not just the CEO's and the super rich but milions of people in this country.
    Feeling sorry for the hedge fund managers that can afford the good drugs and pay a lesser tax rate than many in the middle class are ya? I personally prefer helping the seniors, disabled and working poor.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    All this makes me wonder....Can you drug test an applicant for a job in California for marijuana these days?
    Why wouldn't you be?
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