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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    It depends. What incentive do they have now to get clean? Whose to say people who are collecting a welfare check every week aren't panhandling or engaged in prostitution. There is no perfect solution. Your "turn a blind eye and feel good about yourself for giving them a few bucks" solution is problematic.
    Based on the results in Florida, this seems to be another non-problem that Republicans are fixating on to curry favor with their base. Why make everyone who applies for assistance pay for this humiliating test when it appears that it's less of a problem among this population than it is in the population as a whole?

    It seems to me that the real problem here is with those who have the biased perception that people who are going through tough times and need some assistance must be drug-addled parasites.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Making public assistance contingent upon being drug-free is never going to happen unless we are also willing to immediately take their children away. You don't let kids go hungry and homeless because mom's a druggie.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Making public assistance contingent upon being drug-free is never going to happen unless we are also willing to immediately take their children away. You don't let kids go hungry and homeless because mom's a druggie.

    If the parent is a druggie then wouldn't it be a good idea to take the children away and get the mother some help?
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If the parent is a druggie then wouldn't it be a good idea to take the children away and get the mother some help?
    That's another topic, and one that would be interesting to discuss. But that doesn't change what I said. Can't have one without the other.

    You test positive for marijuana? You lose your benefits and your kids. We'd better start building orphanages.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    I have so many issues with this....

    1st, what happens when a welfare mother tests positive? do we cut her off, send her out on the street and put the kids in fostercare? Not sure how that is improving any situation.... Or, do we send her to rehab which costs even more money, while the kids are in fostercare, which costs even more money... Not to mention such a horrible way for a kid to grow up...

    So now our society is in this paranoid gotcha phase with drug use... except it is everywhere, in all classes. What makes someone who earns a lot of money any less or more acceptable with taking illegal substances?

    Why Iam not a libertarian is because of this issue moreso than any other. Lets say we legalize marijuanna... except that currently there is no accurate way to determine when exactly did a person use the drug. Heavy users will test positive days after their last time using. Someone does something completly bone headed behind the wheel, they get drug tested, was not actually high at the time but a drug test determines that it is raging through their system...

    I am not pro or anti drug, but very anti how we are going about the entire issue. A lot of feel good legislation that harms more than it hurts, including possible legalization under our current issues with driving and working where such tests are mandatory.

    Face it for the bleeding hearts... most of the people who got to where they needed welfare was because of substance abuse one way or another. Sorry but I have been around the block more than once and have had my share of time being poor and around the poor. Many of them have substance abuse problems, and I have been involved with the underpriveledged in more than just one trailer park/ rent subsidied apt complex. I have also spent some time with upper class people and oh no, guess what I found, a lot of them do drugs as well. Oddly enough, they pay less for purer quality... figure that.

    Substance abuse has been a part of human culture since we learned how to make or ingest something that alters our consciousness. If we want to deal with the problem for real, we are going to have to change our entire way of going about it. law enforcement, mandatory tests, our way of looking at class warfare on who is good and who is bad because of it.

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    The REAL issue ISN'T the drug testing, it's the drug laws in general. If I smoke pot, who am I hurting? Now, from the stand point of living or being subsidized by financial aid of some sort, and then spending the extra cash I have as a result on drugs is a valid argument...IF, and only IF, you also wanna test for booze and tobacco, too. Last I checked, those are just as useless to general survival as pot or LSD. While we're at it, we should track their spending...instead of making deposits into an account, issue a an account, accesable ONLY in debit form, no cash. Track everything. Buy only what's "needed" to sustain life. I mean, to me, that's no worse than the premise of drug testing.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Making public assistance contingent upon being drug-free is never going to happen unless we are also willing to immediately take their children away. You don't let kids go hungry and homeless because mom's a druggie.
    If Mom smokes pot, there's going to be food in the pantry and fridge.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Based on the results in Florida, this seems to be another non-problem that Republicans are fixating on to curry favor with their base. Why make everyone who applies for assistance pay for this humiliating test when it appears that it's less of a problem among this population than it is in the population as a whole?

    It seems to me that the real problem here is with those who have the biased perception that people who are going through tough times and need some assistance must be drug-addled parasites.
    Certain jobs have random drug testing, pre hiring drug testing. I was subject to testing in my past job. So in your mind its ok for me (who does not use drugs) to be tested, yet it is not ok to have someone receiving tax dollars for welfare. Why is it humiliating for a welfare person, but not for a working person?

    IMO, the whole program needs revamped. However, I have no issue with testing.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    So how is stating something that is true "demonizing" or "attacking"?
    Your article says nothing about people who abuse drugs and alcohol being on welfare or for that matter poor. So yes, you're demonizing. Sorry to break it to you.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    I don't understand. Why would the lawmakers have to be drug tested if they are NOT on welfare or taking foodstamps?
    Soldiers are not on foodstamps but are subjected to drug testing, police and fire officers, utility workers, so why not lawmakers!!

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