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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    To be honest I wouldn't have a problem if they wanted to randomly test Welfare recipients for drugs (or anyone benefiting from a social program). I also think that they should have access to all the financial transactions that person makes and offer them "financial rehab" to help them get off welfare (and dump them from it if they aren't making progress/actively looking for employment).
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In Texas, faking a drug test, using someone else's urine, or using a Whizinator or other device is a felony, and means prison, if caught.
    Doesn't the same apply if caught with illegal drugs?
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Your assumption is a bit ludicrous. You think that a drug addict is going to get clean just to collect a few hundred bucks worth of foot stamps? Suddenly, if she has to take a drug test, she's going to turn into June Cleaver? The more likely scenario is that she instead resorts to petty theft and/or panhandling and/or prostitution.
    It depends. What incentive do they have now to get clean? Whose to say people who are collecting a welfare check every week aren't panhandling or engaged in prostitution. There is no perfect solution. Your "turn a blind eye and feel good about yourself for giving them a few bucks" solution is problematic.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So here is the question we all want to know - What do the Indiana lawmakers have to hide? If drug testing is good enough for mothers and children who are receiving food stamps, then it is damn well good enough for lawmakers too.

    Article is here.

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    i agree, but the bigger point is how can libertarians or even republicans endorse more infiltration to a person's private life?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i agree, but the bigger point is how can libertarians or even republicans endorse more infiltration to a person's private life?
    It's because the sector of individuals go to the government and say 'I can't help myself - can you help me?'

    It has nothing to do with politics - but people willingly subjecting their self to the support of the government and thus the regulations of the government.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    One facet not yet mentioned is cost.

    Last I checked, even for large corporations that get the cost down due to bulk, it's still about 80 bucks per person for a drug test. **** ain't free.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    One facet not yet mentioned is cost.

    Last I checked, even for large corporations that get the cost down due to bulk, it's still about 80 bucks per person for a drug test. **** ain't free.
    I wonder if they get a dollar-for-dollar benefit from that? Probably impossible to calculate precisely, though.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    In Texas, faking a drug test, using someone else's urine, or using a Whizinator or other device is a felony, and means prison, if caught.
    Everything is a felony these days it seems.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    I am against the urine drug testing of all free Americans. Either that or issue us orange jump-suits, shuffle shoes, and shackles to wear to the test clinic.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I am against the urine drug testing of all free Americans. Either that or issue us orange jump-suits, shuffle shoes, and shackles to wear to the test clinic.
    I think in the end I come down more on this side. I don't really like the constant drug testing of America, even by private industry. IMO, if we just made everything performance based you wouldn't have to worry about it.
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