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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    hello. Mickey D's? I have a wife and two kids, I demand you pay me a living wage of $28.65 per hour....Response: The door is over there sir.....





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    You would not get a "sir".

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I have it taken out of my check automatically. I don't have the exact figure, but I pay roughtly $200/mo for health, dental, vision and life insurance.
    You must be very young. It costs the wife and I $12,000 a year for not much more than catastrophic health insurance coverage and neither of us has any major health problems, and that doesn't include the costs for doctor visits, prescriptions, or lab tests.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You must be very young. It costs the wife and I $12,000 a year for not much more than catastrophic health insurance coverage and neither of us has any major health problems, and that doesn't include the costs for doctor visits, prescriptions, or lab tests.
    Well, mine is about the same, and I am 50 this year.


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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You must be very young. It costs the wife and I $12,000 a year for not much more than catastrophic health insurance coverage and neither of us has any major health problems, and that doesn't include the costs for doctor visits, prescriptions, or lab tests.
    I am 31.

    That is a lot of money for health insurance. No doubt about that. Doesn't change anything about the conversation. A person does not need $28/hr to survive.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, mine is about the same, and I am 50 this year.


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    Then you have an exceptionally good insurance deal from your company. It is not the norm, which is probably why you have no empathy for the millions who are struggling with health care costs in this country.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I am 31.

    That is a lot of money for health insurance. No doubt about that. Doesn't change anything about the conversation. A person does not need $28/hr to survive.
    No one said one person needs $28/hr to live above the poverty line.

    BTW, how much do you think a couple has to earn to pay $12,000 in health insurance annually, along with other living costs?
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How much do you think a couple has to earn to pay $12,000 in health insurance annually, along with other living costs?
    I wouldn't know. That is what government assistance is for.
    Quick internet search

    How Much Does Health Insurance Cost? The Average Premium for Individual Coverage in 2011 was $183 per month, eHealth Study Finds / eHealth

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I wouldn't know. That is what government assistance is for.
    Which brings us full circle back to my suggestion of a living wage as an alternative to taxpayer supported welfare.


    "U.S. healthcare is so expensive that records are broken even when cost increases slow.

    According to a new report by Milliman, a global consulting and actuarial firm, the total cost of healthcare for the average family of four, if covered by a preferred provider organization, is now a record $19,393."

    ""In 2002, American families had healthcare costs of $9,235, and those costs have now doubled in fewer than nine years," said Lorraine Mayne, Milliman principal and consulting actuary, in a press release. "As costs continue to grow -- and even as the cost trend decelerates -- the total cost of care for American families constitutes a larger and larger portion of the household budget."

    Take away costs paid by employers, and the employee's share of costs has still doubled. In 2010, the average employee paid $8,008 for his family's healthcare, up from $3,634 in 2002."
    U.S. Health Care Costs Per Family More Than Doubled In Nine Years, Report Finds
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Which brings us full circle back to my suggestion of a living wage as an alternative to taxpayer supported welfare.


    How many small businesses do you suppose would go out of business if a "Living Wage" were enacted as law?


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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How many small businesses do you suppose would go out of business if a "Living Wage" were enacted as law?


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    The same as the amount that would if they couldn't hire illegals and had to pay taxes.

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