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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Want to know what would be better than drug testing welfare recipients? Requiring them to get GEDs if they are high school dropouts, or vocational training if they finished high school. This makes orders of magnitude more sense, since we would be preparing them to have a decent chance of getting off welfare. Perhaps, some of those Indiana lawmakers should go back to school themselves, since they seem to be dumber than a bag of hammers.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You mean make them get jobs?
    Most have jobs now, they are just not paid enough to live on. From a taxpayers point of view, a living wage for full time work seems much preferable to tax payer supported welfare.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Most have jobs now, they are just not paid enough to live on. From a taxpayers point of view, a living wage for full time work seems much preferable to tax payer supported welfare.
    Of course it would be preferable. But is it realistic? It's also like a dog chasing its tail.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Want to know what would be better than drug testing welfare recipients? Requiring them to get GEDs if they are high school dropouts, or vocational training if they finished high school. This makes orders of magnitude more sense, since we would be preparing them to have a decent chance of getting off welfare. Perhaps, some of those Indiana lawmakers should go back to school themselves, since they seem to be dumber than a bag of hammers.
    I would have no issue with tying some kind of real educational improvement to welfare money.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Want to know what would be better than drug testing welfare recipients? Requiring them to get GEDs if they are high school dropouts, or vocational training if they finished high school. This makes orders of magnitude more sense, since we would be preparing them to have a decent chance of getting off welfare. Perhaps, some of those Indiana lawmakers should go back to school themselves, since they seem to be dumber than a bag of hammers.
    All the degrees and diplomas in the world won't help them if they can't pass a drug test. Almost every employer piss tests people these days.

    I love the idea of having the able bodied people on welfare have to earn their money. They should be making every effort to get off of welfare. Staying off drugs, getting an education and or training is certainly a great idea.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Most have jobs now, they are just not paid enough to live on. From a taxpayers point of view, a living wage for full time work seems much preferable to tax payer supported welfare.
    Minimum wage is a living wage. You can live on minimum wage in most parts of the country. Tax payer supported welfare, especially that which helps people with food (food stamps) and heat and things is a great idea. We just execute it poorly in the US.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Of course it would be preferable. But is it realistic? It's also like a dog chasing its tail.
    Minimum wage for my locality in Virginia is $7.25 an hour. According to the living wage calculator developed by Pennsylvania State University, a living wage in my locality would only be $8.23. An increase of $0.98 an hour doesn't sound unrealistic to me for those that work full time.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Minimum wage is a living wage. You can live on minimum wage in most parts of the country. Tax payer supported welfare, especially that which helps people with food (food stamps) and heat and things is a great idea. We just execute it poorly in the US.
    Minimum wage in most states is below a living wage and require subsidies through taxpayer supported welfare.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Minimum wage for my locality in Virginia is $7.25 an hour. According to the living wage calculator developed by Pennsylvania State University, a living wage in my locality would only be $8.23. An increase of $0.98 an hour doesn't sound unrealistic to me for those that work full time.

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    Do they/you factor in the potential for inflation to fund the wage increase? IOW: if the MW is raised to $8.23/hr, does the needed "living wage" suddenly rise to $8.97? That's the dog/tail chasing aspect.

    Now, I have known people who always wail and gnash their teeth that any significant minimum wage increase will cause a high percentage of businesses to close right off the bat, and I think that is brain dead hyperbole as it has never once been born out, but I do think there has to be some level of compensation on the other end.

    Of course, a living wage on paper, and what people think they need as a living wage to fund their video games and satellite tv and such are two entirely different things.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, hell, let's just have everyone tested always. Government is the answer after all. never knew you were such a fan of big government. I bet there are other things we can check for as well. Make sure there's not too fat in the diet? Sugar will have to be monitored as well. And we sure can't have smoking or booze either. And let's make sure all the readning and viewing material is appropriate. No sleeping past 6 am either. We all know the early bird gets the worm. And since you want this can opened, might as well go big or go home.


    Joe, there are regulations in my field that because I operate a tractor trailer that weigh alot, and have the capacity to do immense damage in accidents. I agree with that. In our society we have said, and the supreme court has backed up that occupations that carry consquence to the public good, whether that be safety, or other considerations like nursing, etc....In fact there are tax considerations for being a "drug free" workplace. Why is it that you get upset at the possibility of educators, the people responsible for the most valuable asset this country has, our children, why shouldn't they be tested?


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