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    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    However, I'm entitled to it because I PAID FOR IT.
    No, you FEEL entitled to it because you were TAXED to pay for someone ELSE's security a long time ago.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    You dont want to think of it as welfare because you collect it and it would hurt your feelings, but the fact is that when the law was passed it was called welfare.

    The American Spectator : The Spectacle Blog : Why Social Security is WelfareWe don't call Social Security "welfare" because it's a pejorative term, and politicians don't want to offend. So their rhetoric classifies Social Security as something else when it isn't. Here is how I define a welfare program: First, it taxes one group to support another group, meaning it's pay-as-you-go and not a contributory scheme where people's own savings pay their later benefits. And second, Congress can constantly alter benefits, reflecting changing needs, economic conditions and politics. Social Security qualifies on both counts.

    Let's start with its $2.6 trillion trust fund. Doesn't this prove that people's payroll taxes were saved to pay for future benefits, disconnecting them from our larger budget problems? Well, no. Since the 1940s, Social Security has been a pay-as-you-go program. Most benefits are paid by payroll taxes on today's workers; in 2010, those taxes covered 91 percent of benefits. The trust fund's $2.6 trillion would provide only 3.5 years of benefits, which totaled about $700 billion in 2010.

    The trust fund serves mainly to funnel taxes to recipients, and today's big surplus is an accident, as Charles Blahous shows in his book "Social Security: The Unfinished Work." In 1983, when the trust fund was nearly exhausted, a presidential commission proposed fixes but underestimated their effects. The large surplus "just developed. It wasn't planned," the commission's executive director said later. Even so, the surplus will disappear as the number of retirees rises.

    Similarly, Congress has repeatedly altered benefits. From 1950 to 1972, it increased them nine times, including a doubling in the early 1950s. In 1972, it indexed benefits to inflation. People didn't complain when benefits rose, but possible cuts now trigger howls that a "contract" is being broken. Not so. In a 1960 decision ( Flemming v. Nestor ), the Supreme Court expressly rejected the argument that people have a contractual right to Social Security. It cited the 1935 Social Security Act: "The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to Congress." Congress can change the program whenever it wants.

    All this makes Social Security "welfare."
    Robert J. Samuelson - Why Social Security is welfare
    You didn't prove anything by posting this. All you did was find another person who spouts and opines what you want to hear.

    And the notion that the first recipients didn't pay in is wholly irrelevant 75+/- years later.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's the way insurance works. If you think it should be repealed I suggest you start a political party wishing to take your view as their platform.
    Apparently, institutions like banks and insurance companies are engaging in welfare because they take money, use it for a different purpose, then give you "different" money back later when necessary. Or, is it just the government that is guilty of welfare because the government is the "bad guys"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's the way insurance works. If you think it should be repealed I suggest you start a political party wishing to take your view as their platform.
    If social secuty is insurance so are food stamps. Fact is the called it welfare when they passed it.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post

    You dont want to think of it as welfare because you collect it and it would hurt your feelings, but the fact is that when the law was passed it was called welfare.
    He doesnt think of it as welfare because it is something he invested money into. It is something he has worked to receive. He explained that pretty well. He earned it. He didnt just show up at an office and say gimme. SS is not welfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    He doesnt think of it as welfare because it is something he invested money into. It is something he has worked to receive. He explained that pretty well. He earned it. He didnt just show up at an office and say gimme. SS is not welfare.
    Golly white folks hate when you point out they are sucking the government for.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Thank you. That is exactly my point. It is just my own money coming back to me at a very low rate of interest or even negative interrest if my expiration date is as expected.

    Kenvin, you can always find someone, somewhere to quote in support of your position, no matter the degree of reality. I will try to ask my father how that worked originally, but it's fair to say that the earlier recipients did not pay in much (or any). That is not relevant to most people though, unless you are over the age of 93 (my father is 100) so most of us have paid or are paying in the money we take out later.

    Kenvin is very young and at his age, there is disbelief that you will ever see, or want, these enforced savings. I remember my attitude at age 18 - yeah, Social Security was going to go broke. It didn't, it won't and millions of us would be in real trouble (and on welfare) without it.


    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    He doesnt think of it as welfare because it is something he invested money into. It is something he has worked to receive. He explained that pretty well. He earned it. He didnt just show up at an office and say gimme. SS is not welfare.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Golly white folks hate when you point out they are sucking the government for.
    Your arguments keep degenerating with each post.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    A most elegant and mature response. I suppose my estimate of your age was off by about 5 years.



    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Golly white folks hate when you point out they are sucking the government for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    A most elegant and mature response. I suppose my estimate of your age was off by about 5 years.
    Thank you.

    Social security is welfare for thw middle class that doesn't save. Calling it what it is hurts their feelings.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    This isn't about hurt feelings. It's a discussion board where you can transcend your closed mind and learn something. Equating savings to welfare is something that exists only inside your your perception. How are Social Security savings any different that any other type of savings? I have savings in many forms, this is just one of them.

    I'll take a guess that you are supported by your parents. Right? Does that mean you are on welfare? Of course not. I invested $180,000 into Social Security. I am now taking it back. Does that mean I am on welfare? Of course not.



    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Thank you.

    Social security is welfare for thw middle class that doesn't save. Calling it what it is hurts their feelings.

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