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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, one is a group that has paid into retirement insurance all their lives.
    Social security isn't insurance. The first generation of recipients never paid in. It has always been welfare. Just because you paid a tax your whole life doesn't make it insurance.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Social security isn't a pension or 401 k. Current benefits are paid by current tax payers.
    Just like any other insurance policy.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    If these home test kits worked business would use them, but they don't. I know I have only ever done lab tests. Anyone here taken a non lab test for pre employment?
    But companies do use them as evidenced by the links above. The test strips also test to confirm it is urine and will look for things being added to throw the results off. Nowever, have you ever been tested with a strip? Couldn't care less. Your personal experiences are meaningless when talking about what businesses do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A counter-argument says that money given to wealthy citizens and corporations gets spent in ways that benefit the rest of the economy, and all people, including charitable donations.
    Flat out "giving" money to wealthy citizens by government is illegal. Find me someone around here who promotes this illegal behavior.

    Yet money that is given to the very poor also gets spent: locally, in ways that benefit the grocer and the landlord and other small businesses.
    For one thing, BS. The poor shop cheap more than local (who are more expensive). So discount superstores benefit disproportionatey, which means... The money's back in the hands of the rich again. But that's not the important part.

    The important part is the COST of taking the money from somewhere else to give it to the poor negates the added benefit. Subtract the money from one place and adding to another place is not a real net benefit.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    If these home test kits worked business would use them, but they don't. I know I have only ever done lab tests. Anyone here taken a non lab test for pre employment?

    I have taken them yes. Buck showed you proof that they can work. Your argument is that since they aren't 100% foolproof (and neither is lab work) that they are worthless is just wrong. These tests would help them find who is doing what. Some people will beat it. Noone is arguing that. And there would be a few false positives (thus the lab confirmation if a test is failed).

    Nothing about this is unreasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Says you. Thanks anonymous internet guy, but I will go with the experts.
    You strategically omit the part of my post that helps you understand something, and then accuse me of being anecdotal?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    He's nutshelling it, but he's right.
    No, he's not. What is done with the tax money is totally uncool, but that does not negate the fact that people are taxed separately and specifically for the money to be used for them (and others, too) later in life. It is not the same as other programs where you can pay zero and still get a benefit.

    To claim anything else is simply emotional knee-jerkism against government programs in any form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I have taken them yes. Buck showed you proof that they can work. Your argument is that since they aren't 100% foolproof (and neither is lab work) that they are worthless is just wrong. These tests would help them find who is doing what. Some people will beat it. Noone is arguing that. And there would be a few false positives (thus the lab confirmation if a test is failed).

    Nothing about this is unreasonable.
    Ok then I bet granny is going to ne mad when she is told to pee in a cup to get her check.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    I would agree on the surface, but the more i think about it, the concept predicates upon legislating morality.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Just like any other insurance policy.
    It isn't insurance its welfare. The first entire generation of recipients didn't pay any tax. Also if it were insurance we would call them premiuma not social security tax.

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