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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Why they are both people who can't take care of themselves and need government money.
    No, one is a group that has paid into retirement insurance all their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Ah, but your link goes on to say: "only a small minority satisfy criteria for drug or alcohol dependence."
    Doesn't matter. Dependence is a psychiatric diagnosis typically characterized by increasing tolerance and withdrawal. There are also abuse diagnoses. The important figure is the 20%.

    I would argue that taxpayer dollars benefit everyone, especially those who receive on average $150,000 in annual tax breaks. Do you realize how much drugs a person can buy with that kind of money? Why single out just one group to test???
    I'm not hardcore advocate of drug testing all recipients as a matter of policy. But I do think a high BAC or hot UDS or other drug screen done in the normal course of provision of health care ought to be flagged for loss of public assistance, for example.

    There are cheaper ways to filter out abuse and addiction from the welfare rolls than subjecting every recipient to the test, which might not be cost-effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is that the limit of the quality of your analytic abilities? Really?
    He's nutshelling it, but he's right.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    What companies use home test strips and not a lab?
    Specifically, which companies? I have no idea. Do a search though and you can find a lot of info. I have no doubt you'll continue to argue, though.

    Anyway, here is a company that is marketing the test strips to businesses to use for their employees.

    Rapid Exams can save your company dollars and down-time by using instant drug test rapids which will produce qualitative drug screening results 1-5 minutes. Employees get to work faster with rapid exams.
    here is an article about employee testing, and the test is testing to ensure it is actually urine - so you are just wrong on so many different things....

    For example, a 4 Panel (COC/MAMP/THC/OPI) Integrated Test Cup with Adulteration is an FDA approved kit that tests for cocaine, methamphetamine, marijuana, and opiates. It also contains a test for adulteration so that attempts to mask drug use will be uncovered. It can be purchased for between $6.85 and $8.15. The strip tests for pH, specific gravity, and oxidants in the urine specimen.
    Employee Drug Test Options | DrugTestStrips Articles
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    One of the myths about welfare previously linked above:

    MYTH: Supporting welfare is a burden causing financial hardship to working class Americans.

    FACT: Together, AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) and Food Stamps are by far the largest items of the welfare budget. Yet in 1992, AFDC formed only 1 percent of the combined state and federal budgets. Food stamps also took up 1 percent. (Library of Congress, Congressional Research Service, "Cash and Noncash Benefits for Persons with Limited Income: Eligibility Rules, Recipient and Expenditure Data, FY 1990-92," Report 93-832 EPW and earlier reports.) If you expand the definition of "welfare" to include all one-way transfers of benefits for which no services or repayment are required in exchange (such as student grants, school lunches and pensions for needy veterans) then welfare takes up only 12 percent of the combined budgets. (Sources: Library of Congress, Congressional Research Service, "Cash and Noncash Benefits for Persons with Limited Income: Eligibility Rules, Recipient and Expenditure Data, FY 1990-92," Report 93-832 EPW, and earlier reports; U.S. Bureau of the Census, Government Finances, series GF, No. 5, 1992.)

    What is creating a financial hardship on working- and middle-class Americans? The rising percentage of American wealth gravitating to the top 1% of the population.

    A counter-argument says that money given to wealthy citizens and corporations gets spent in ways that benefit the rest of the economy, and all people, including charitable donations. Yet money that is given to the very poor also gets spent: locally, in ways that benefit the grocer and the landlord and other small businesses. Money that goes to the wealthy often ends up being saved or invested overseas, circulated back into stocks that continue to drive up inflation, or spent on expensive houses that got built where affordable housing used to be.

    In 1990, the poorest income group -- under $10,000 -- actually gave the highest share to charity: 5.5 percent. (Survey by Gallup Organization and Independent Sector, cited by Boston Globe, "U.S. Charities See Increase in Gifts," December 16, 1990)

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    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is that the limit of the quality of your analytic abilities? Really?
    It is welfare. They get checks from taxes. Social security isn't a pension or 401 k. Current benefits are paid by current tax payers.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    I think along with drug testing as a means to help people better themselves, it would only help/work with a renewed commitment from our government and social directors to actually help these people. It is not enough to just throw money at people to help them eat enough to survive. Our current system is set up so that you fill out paper work and meet with someone social worker who barely knows you and is killing time between 9 and 5 to get a check. We need to enable social workers to take an active part in helping recipients better themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Specifically, I have no idea. Do a search though and you can find a lot of info. I have no doubt you'll continue, though.

    Anyway, here is a company that is marketing the test strips to businesses to use for their employees.

    Rapid Exams can save your company dollars and down-time by using instant drug test rapids which will produce qualitative drug screening results 1-5 minutes. Employees get to work faster with rapid exams.

    here is an article about employee testing, and it is testing to ensure it is actualyl urine - so you are just wrong on so many different things....




    Employee Drug Test Options | DrugTestStrips Articles
    If these home test kits worked business would use them, but they don't. I know I have only ever done lab tests. Anyone here taken a non lab test for pre employment?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The important figure is the 20%.
    Says you. Thanks anonymous internet guy, but I will go with the experts.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    One of the myths about welfare previously linked above:

    MYTH: Supporting welfare is a burden causing financial hardship to working class Americans.

    FACT: Together, AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) and Food Stamps are by far the largest items of the welfare budget. Yet in 1992, AFDC formed only 1 percent of the combined state and federal budgets. Food stamps also took up 1 percent. (Library of Congress, Congressional Research Service, "Cash and Noncash Benefits for Persons with Limited Income: Eligibility Rules, Recipient and Expenditure Data, FY 1990-92," Report 93-832 EPW and earlier reports.) If you expand the definition of "welfare" to include all one-way transfers of benefits for which no services or repayment are required in exchange (such as student grants, school lunches and pensions for needy veterans) then welfare takes up only 12 percent of the combined budgets. (Sources: Library of Congress, Congressional Research Service, "Cash and Noncash Benefits for Persons with Limited Income: Eligibility Rules, Recipient and Expenditure Data, FY 1990-92," Report 93-832 EPW, and earlier reports; U.S. Bureau of the Census, Government Finances, series GF, No. 5, 1992.)

    What is creating a financial hardship on working- and middle-class Americans? The rising percentage of American wealth gravitating to the top 1% of the population.

    A counter-argument says that money given to wealthy citizens and corporations gets spent in ways that benefit the rest of the economy, and all people, including charitable donations. Yet money that is given to the very poor also gets spent: locally, in ways that benefit the grocer and the landlord and other small businesses. Money that goes to the wealthy often ends up being saved or invested overseas, circulated back into stocks that continue to drive up inflation, or spent on expensive houses that got built where affordable housing used to be.

    In 1990, the poorest income group -- under $10,000 -- actually gave the highest share to charity: 5.5 percent. (Survey by Gallup Organization and Independent Sector, cited by Boston Globe, "U.S. Charities See Increase in Gifts," December 16, 1990)

    From Inequality and Health
    The problem Cawtaba is the information is not clear.

    US Welfare Budget: US Budget Breakdown for FY12 - Charts
    US Welfare Spending for 2012 - Charts
    The Failed War on Poverty: Obama

    When looked up, there are numbers all over the place. None of them match.

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