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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Foodstamps, Medicare and social security combined have approximatly 140 million people getting assistance.
    Yes 140 million getting assistance. (taking your word on the number i dont wanna look it up) However if you have a single mother with 5 kids on assistance, your only testing 1 person.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Why they are both people who can't take care of themselves and need government money.
    People pay into social security via a special tax. That hardly qualifies as "can't take care of themselves", as they indeed have contributed to their own retirement.

    Whether or not it is efficient, or enough, is an entirely different topic.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    I am right the fact that the strips are useless is why companies use labs
    Some companies also use the strips, so according to your logic, they are perfect. The strips could be a useful pre-screen.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Dilution will work in a home test but labs tend not to fall for it anymore so warm water will work.
    I am very confident that there are different strip tests out there. They have strips that can detect how much urine is a pool. You dont think they can make strips to determine if urine is in urine? Give it up man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    People pay into social security via a special tax. That hardly qualifies as "can't take care of themselves", as they indeed have contributed to their own retirement.

    Whether or not it is efficient, or enough, is an entirely different topic.
    Social security is welfare just with a special tax and different name

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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I am very confident that there are different strip tests out there. They have strips that can detect how much urine is a pool. You dont think they can make strips to determine if urine is in urine? Give it up man.
    Hey I provided the link on how to beat them. Labs do a special test to check dilution strips don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Some companies also use the strips, so according to your logic, they are perfect. The strips could be a useful pre-screen.
    What companies use home test strips and not a lab?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    This link indicates 20% of welfare recipients have used in the last 12 months: http://www.ipr.northwestern.edu/jcpr...dt_SRI2001.pdf
    Ah, but your link goes on to say: "only a small minority satisfy criteria for drug or alcohol dependence."

    This link indicates use in general population is close to 9%: National survey shows a rise in illicit drug use from 2008 to 2010

    Even if substance use prevalence rates were the same, it is reasonable to eliminate pr at least minimize the degree to which taxpayer dollars help people stay addicted, which obviously harms them.

    Do you disagree, or just not care?
    I would argue that taxpayer dollars benefit everyone, especially those who receive on average $150,000 in annual tax breaks. Do you realize how much drugs a person can buy with that kind of money? Why single out just one group to test???
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Hey I provided the link on how to beat them. Labs do a special test to check dilution strips don't.
    You can buy strips with different sensitivity.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Social security is welfare just with a special tax and different name
    Is that the limit of the quality of your analytic abilities? Really?

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