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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You have to have a physical address to claim welfare therefore homeless people do not receive welfare.
    Yes. The homeless can and often do recieve welfare. I know first hand. There was always a certain percentage that once they got that check we wouldn't see them for a few days, as they would find some cheap place to live and spend all their money on booze (they knew they weren't allowed at the shelter while high or drunk). After the money was gone, they'd come back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We were not talking about drug testing for people that benefit from government policy?
    No, we weren't. That was your own spin.

    Your suggestions to drug test any beneficiary of government policies is a complete non-sequitur. Some people need welfare for reasons directly related to their addiction, and the welfare ends up funding the addiction. That is directly harmful.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The average price is meaningless. The government would obviously have a lot of tests per year and would qualify for the lowest rates, most likely in the $25.00 range. The $65.00 rate / test was for companies that only get 5-10 tests per year.
    Yes, the government is famous for it's fiscal responsibility and for bargaining for the best possible price.

    And that doesn't even begin to address the time and cost of its own bureaucracy in implementing the program. I mean, really, show me a government program that stays lean and mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    So if businesses dont use them in your experience then they are not reliable? You can't be serious.

    Your also ignoring the fact that I included that if the strip shows positive then you have them retest with a lab.

    Where is the problem there? Its cheap, and for fairness sake it's accurate.
    http://www.drugteststrips.com/FAQ-p-6.html#accurate_q2

    Well even thw drug test supplier admits the tests should be confirmed in a lab and are do not hold up in court. They give both false positives and false negatives.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    No cuts on capital gains tax, unless you're drug tested. How far would that fly?
    About as far as drug testing poor people is going to fly.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

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    Well even thw drug test supplier admits the tests should be confirmed in a lab and are do not hold up in court. They give both false positives and false negatives.
    Which is why when there is a negative test, you retest with the lab. Problem solved. Your continuing to focus problem your perceiving with a clear solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Which is why when there is a negative test, you retest with the lab. Problem solved. Your continuing to focus problem your perceiving with a clear solution.
    Well the fact is srips are useless. There is no chain of custody in a welfare office. The tests are easy to beat and can't even detect if its actually urine being tested. It's just pointless. The person just goes into the bathroom fills the cup with warm water and there you go.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yes. The homeless can and often do recieve welfare. I know first hand. There was always a certain percentage that once they got that check we wouldn't see them for a few days, as they would find some cheap place to live and spend all their money on booze (they knew they weren't allowed at the shelter while high or drunk). After the money was gone, they'd come back.
    The homeless can get food stamps, and most states have a 3 month limit for that, and most have mental problems.

    What do you suggest we do with the homeless if they are found guilty of drinking booze or smoking a joint. Should they be fined, or thrown in jail do you think???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What do you suggest we do with the homeless if they are found guilty of drinking booze or smoking a joint. Should they be fined, or thrown in jail do you think???
    Just stop handing out money and resources to them. That respects their freedom. They're free to harm themselves. Tax revenues shouldn't be used to assist them in harming themselves.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    and most have mental problems.
    You are wrong again. The highest estimates I have seen of homeless w/ mental illness was one third. While I don't personally believe it is that high, it is clear that "most" homeless do not have mental problems.

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