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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    You have to have a physical address to claim welfare therefore homeless people do not receive welfare.
    Cant they use a homeless shelter address?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    <<takes deep breath, pets cat, prepares for onslaught of personal attacks>>

    There is absolutely no reason to test welfare recipients for drugs. The only people who should be tested routinely are cab drivers, pilots, heavy equipment operators, bus drivers and anyone else whose drug use might affect the safety of others.

    The primary reason we have welfare is to keep people from starving to death. If a welfare recipient can manage to function on their allotment, why should anyone care if they use drugs?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    What I said was that it is wrong to test people for drug use without any probable cause involved. One could say that all Americans benefit from taxes so everyone should be tested for drugs. That is where your reasoning leads us. If its good for one section to be tested for drugs then it is good for all sections of society to be tested for drugs. That is the same exact reasoning that you used.
    Yeah I was pointing out how ridiculous it all was by suggesting if you are going to test one segment of society that benefits from government policy you would have to test all those who benefit from government policy.

    Its a silly notion, which is why none of the candidates are suggesting it.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    The end result in universal drug testing which opens the door for more intrusive regulations like gun control.
    I dont think it does. The way I view these things is A. B. C. ect will help you become a self sufficient, tax paying US citizen. Our government can help do these things, and can help support you while you do them. In return you have to do X Y Z. Not because they want to infringe on your rights, or control your life but because they will help you. If a person is not willing to do the things needed to better their life, why help them? I know that sounds a bit cruel but realistically people need to do their part as well. They can't rely on someone else to do everything. Our welfare and social programs should help people better their lives and themselves. Giving them money and telling them to go away is a crappy half assed approach

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    If entitlements are in fact intended to get you back on your feet and not meant to be a permanent benefit..... Then if you do drugs you are being counter productive because there are many places that will not hire a drug user. All the more reason to enforce drug testing.

    As far as the effect on the kids, yes if they fail a drug test you should take the kids. That parent is making an active decision to buy drugs with those benefits instead of supporting their children. Drugs are not cheap. I find it hard to believe you could support a drug habit without sacrificing the standard of living for your children.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    The primary reason we have welfare is to keep people from starving to death.
    I see the primary reason we have welfare is to help people who have fallen on hard times while they are getting back onto their feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Show some data to that effect. Or make any reasonable argument why what I presented before would not be acceptable.
    Well in my life every company drug test I have taken has been at a lab such as concentra. That is standard procedure. No one pees in a cup at the office. Those are the facts. The strips are not reliable.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    As far as the effect on the kids, yes if they fail a drug test you should take the kids. That parent is making an active decision to buy drugs with those benefits instead of supporting their children. Drugs are not cheap. I find it hard to believe you could support a drug habit without sacrificing the standard of living for your children.
    Furthermore, I don't trust that a person who is high on drugs is capable of properly raising children.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah I was pointing out how ridiculous it all was by suggesting if you are going to test one segment of society that benefits from government policy you would have to test all those who benefit from government policy.

    Its a silly notion, which is why none of the candidates are suggesting it.
    No cuts on capital gains tax, unless you're drug tested. How far would that fly?
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Well in my life every company drug test I have taken has been at a lab such as concentra. That is standard procedure. No one pees in a cup at the office. Those are the facts. The strips are not reliable.
    So if businesses dont use them in your experience then they are not reliable? You can't be serious.

    Your also ignoring the fact that I included that if the strip shows positive then you have them retest with a lab.

    Where is the problem there? Its cheap, and for fairness sake it's accurate.

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