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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wait, is your problem with the homeless, or people on welfare?
    I have zero problem with homeless people. However, even you would acknowledge that homeless people are typically on welfare.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What are you talking about?
    What I said was that it is wrong to test people for drug use without any probable cause involved. One could say that all Americans benefit from taxes so everyone should be tested for drugs. That is where your reasoning leads us. If its good for one section to be tested for drugs then it is good for all sections of society to be tested for drugs. That is the same exact reasoning that you used.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I dont know about "most". I would say many of them would like to work.
    Ok maybe not most I will concede, since I am not going to try to look up any numbers.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    If its good for one section to be tested for drugs then it is good for all sections of society to be tested for drugs.
    I would not agree with all sections of society. However, anyone who receives a regular check from the state or government should be regularly tested as a condition of receiving tax dollars for their personal use.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    A homeless shelter is a bad example and does not represent the average welfare recipient. Most are just people down on their luck and needed a temporary assistance to get back on their feet. But then culturally one has to figure in that most people with really good job ethics wouldnt be caught dead receiving welfare. I am not saying that they are bad people for receiving assistance just that for some people it is degrading and wrong culturally to go on welfare. Some people indeed have different opinions on the matter.
    I was incorrect. I would imagine when including short term welfare reciepiets, those just looking for temporary help, you are probably correct and many would like to work. My mind automatically translated it to longer term welfare recipients. Of those that are longer term, I do not believe most, or even many, would like to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Those silly little strips are pretty damn accurate. What would be wrong with using them. Could easily make it so that if a person comes up hot on the strip they retest them with labcorp or someone like that. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
    If the strips were reliable companies would use them.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I have zero problem with homeless people. However, even you would acknowledge that homeless people are typically on welfare.
    You have to have a physical address to claim welfare therefore homeless people do not receive welfare.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Ok maybe not most I will concede, since I am not going to try to look up any numbers.
    I would also think that many of these people who are on welfare because of hardships. Layoffs, inbetween jobs, cant find work ect., who are genuinely trying to find work and become self sufficient would have little problem pissing in a cup when they are at the office. You do what you have to to support your family.

    It is much harder for a person to get off of welfare if they are on drugs. That in not arguable. Many employers require a drug test before you are hired. Part of our welfare system should be helping people become self sufficient. Part of becoming self sufficient is being clean. If for no other reason, it greatly increases your odds of employment.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    If the strips were reliable companies would use them.
    Show some data to that effect. Or make any reasonable argument why what I presented before would not be acceptable.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I would also think that many of these people who are on welfare because of hardships. Layoffs, inbetween jobs, cant find work ect., who are genuinely trying to find work and become self sufficient would have little problem pissing in a cup when they are at the office. You do what you have to to support your family.

    It is much harder for a person to get off of welfare if they are on drugs. That in not arguable. Many employers require a drug test before you are hired. Part of our welfare system should be helping people become self sufficient. Part of becoming self sufficient is being clean. If for no other reason, it greatly increases your odds of employment.
    I completely agree with you in concept. And I would be on the bandwagon with you if it werent for the fact that such regulations hedge away freedom one piece at a time. The end result in universal drug testing which opens the door for more intrusive regulations like gun control.

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