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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Republicans who constantly bitch about class warfare are the first to demonize the poor, the sick, minorities, the needy, etc. If they're not lazy bastards, they're scum who do drugs and don't take of their kids. If they're not trailer trash, they're simply there to leech off the rest of us. This is the supposedly non-class warfare mantra of modern day Conservatism in America.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So here is the question we all want to know - What do the Indiana lawmakers have to hide? If drug testing is good enough for mothers and children who are receiving food stamps, then it is damn well good enough for lawmakers too.

    Article is here.

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    And drug testing for those that receive lower tax rates on capital gains...............wouldn't that put a scare into to all those hedge fund managers????
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Not word one about due process, 4th Amendment rights against unreasonable search & seizure, innocent until proven guilty, etc. And by many of the same people who decry the government doing anything that might be used against them without due process. We're all just a nation of big dumb hypocrites, aren't we?

    And spare me the comparisons with other jobs. If it's a private employer, the same standards wouldn't necessarily apply in much the same way that freedom of speech as guaranteed in the 1st Amendment applies to government restrictions, not private enterprise restrictions. If the employees are government, that preemptive testing is wrong, too.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They are paid with tax dollars, yes?
    Is there another way to pay them?
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And drug testing for those that receive lower tax rates on capital gains...............wouldn't that put a scare into to all those hedge fund managers????
    Yeah, let's drug test everyone.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    I personally don't care if anyone in government does drugs. Their decisions reflect their ability to lead. If they are demonstrating they can't do that, or they are a poor leader, then let their constituents deal with them. What they do in their personal lives is not really relevant, and drug use in of itself does not demonstrate poor leadership. A lot of our Presidents have been older men with health conditions who have taken legal drugs which can accompany various side effects to body and mind - but these are never questioned. People are too hung up on legalities to see reality.

    The media sensationalism about the private lives of politicians is at sickly levels, and the myth that no one "reputable" does drugs persists in our society so that people are shocked when a propaganda piece gets sent out.

    People who say that government works for the public, and therefore the public wants them drug tested, are only representing themselves. I am also a member of the public and I say no drug testing for ANYONE, whether they are corporate employees or government workers. If people are doing their jobs and have their personal lives contained, it's nobody's business.

    The war on drugs and its cultural effect must end. If people would be more practical instead of so reactionary, we'd have more freedoms.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    I fail to see the reason for the outrage over drug testing prior or during receiving welfare.

    You aren't mandated to take welfare, so if you don't like the rules associated with it, don't accept it.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And drug testing for those that receive lower tax rates on capital gains...............wouldn't that put a scare into to all those hedge fund managers????
    I am on the fence about drug testing welfare recipients but if you asked me to vote yes or no right now I would say no. But comparing welfare recipients no matter if they are worthy enough to receive benefits to those who are taxed and who contribute to the tax base and to the economic welfare of the country is beyond all sense. Let's not demean those people who are unfortunate and need a hand up but let's put it perspective that they contribute nothing while on the government payroll. Let the government decide the tax on capital gains. Criticize them, not the people who are making a legitimate living. I recieve capital gains on my meager investments. It not just the CEO's and the super rich but milions of people in this country.

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    Also, I am concerned with the cost. Drug tests cost money and between wic social security, Medicare, that is billions of dollars of spending.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    If the amendment passed - why did he withdraw it? After a vote that shouldn't be allowed and a bill should be tied into the system once it's been addressed as such.

    If my Husband and all others in the military must pass drug tests all the time - so should lawmakers and I'm a smidge bit surprised that they don't

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anyone with advance notice can pass a piss test. It isn't hard.My best fried passes his piss tests all the time.All it takes is enough time to drive to a friend or relatives house and collect urine from a friend or relative who does not do drugs and keeping that urine warm and concealed. If they made these welfare recipients all go down the welfare office to collect their welfare and food stamps on a regular bases and randomly test them on the spot I guarantee the results would be a lot higher.
    My husband administers military tests often - he knows the tricks and is present in the restroom for those in suspicion.
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