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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    My guess is that less than 1% (probably much, much less) of CEO's would test positive for illegal drugs. My guess is that a much, much higher percentage of welfare applicants would test positive. This is because a huge percenage of addicts are poor or penniless. This is not stereotyping. This is a symptom of addiction. If almost all drug addicts are poor, almost all addicts will apply for welfare... and almost all would fail the drug test.

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    I wouldn't be so sure. And you don't have to be an addict to use. Just saying.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hey, I got no problem with that...Chances are that the people you hold such disdain for don't either...See, I have to have random drug testing for my job, I think everyone should.


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    I don't. Don't need it either. But you're not arguing for everyone. You're arguing one select group, and not even everyone who takes tax dollars.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So here is the question we all want to know - What do the Indiana lawmakers have to hide? If drug testing is good enough for mothers and children who are receiving food stamps, then it is damn well good enough for lawmakers too.

    Article is here.

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    I think lawmakers who get medical coverage as part of their jobs should have to have regular cholesterol and blood pressure tests. And they are banned from smoking and eating fatty foods.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    So state emplyees shouldn't have to take drug tests? Teachers no?
    No they shouldnt. But they should be able to pass a background check.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    BTW name this fallacy: If A is ok then B is ok. Notice that neither A or B is validated in that example.

    So the question is why is it ok to drug test anyone? A drug test is unlikely to confirm that the person will be high during the time that they are working. And in a similar fashion a positive drug test does not provide proof that a person on welfare used welfare money to pay for drugs. In fact one can grow weed and not use any welfare money to do it.

    It is also a well established fact that people in all walks of life have been known to do drugs. And it also a known fact that alcohol is much worse class of drug than weed. Yet no law ever addresses alcohol even though it leads in total sales in the US among drugs.

    What it comes down to isnt the drugs but the structure of the welfare system that needs attention. Drugs are just a distraction.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    No it is billions.
    Show me the sources.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So the question is why is it ok to drug test anyone?
    Because if an individual is taking compensation from another group of people, those people have the right to attach certain conditions to be satisfied prior to releasing the compensation. This goes for both welfare recipients and tax payers as well as employees and employers.

    It is one of the reasons that conservatives tend to say that as government grows, the individual's rights decrease.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Because if an individual is taking compensation from another group of people, those people have the right to attach certain conditions to be satisfied prior to releasing the compensation. This goes for both welfare recipients and tax payers as well as employees and employers.

    It is one of the reasons that conservatives tend to say that as government grows, the individual's rights decrease.
    So conservatives insist on these rights-infringing conditions, and then say, "See! I told you that government infringes on your rights!"

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So conservatives insist on these rights-infringing conditions, and then say, "See! I told you that government infringes on your rights!"
    Government assistance is not a right. It is the compassionate thing to do. We, meaning citizens, are subject to all kinds of freedom or right infringing actions we have to accept because of the criminal actions of others. Otherwise we would be powerless against criminal actions. If everyone behaved themselves and were honest and respectful for what they have we wouldn't be talking about this now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Show me the sources.
    I already did,but here you go again. The cost of a drug test is above $50. There are 140 million on some form of public assistance or another. So the math is simple. Billions. That's with only one test per year.

    http://www.pomlabtest.com/drug-testi...FQhgTAodFGjbnA
    Last edited by kenvin; 02-01-12 at 11:13 AM.

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