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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you're saying tax dollars to pay a politicians drug habit is better than using tax dollars to pay a welfare recipient's drug habit?

    How so? In both instances TAXPAYER'S money is being used to buy drugs.
    Actually, yes. Because when the paycheck is written to the Senator, it becomes's the Senator's money to do with as he/she wishes- because he/she earned it. It is no longer the taxpayer's money.

    However, that was not what I was arguing above. The original legislation in this instance was a welfare reform bill. It would have helped cut down on misuses of welfare money. The ammendment had nothing to do with welfare reform. It was not a good faith effort to come to a compromise and save some tax payer dollars. It was an effort to cloud the issue- as if a state salary for legislators should have the same qualifiers as a welfare check. One was earned, one was not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Actually, yes. Because when the paycheck is written to the Senator, it becomes's the Senator's money to do with as he/she wishes- because he/she earned it. It is no longer the taxpayer's money.

    However, that was not what I was arguing above. The original legislation in this instance was a welfare reform bill. It would have helped cut down on misuses of welfare money. The ammendment had nothing to do with welfare reform. It was not a good faith effort to come to a compromise and save some tax payer dollars. It was an effort to cloud the issue- as if a state salary for legislators should have the same qualifiers as a welfare check. One was earned, one was not.
    So state emplyees shouldn't have to take drug tests? Teachers no?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Actually, yes. Because when the paycheck is written to the Senator, it becomes's the Senator's money to do with as he/she wishes- because he/she earned it. It is no longer the taxpayer's money.
    Same could be said about welfare recipients. That doesn't matter. The Senator is a public servant. They make and amend laws. They are the leaders of our country. They should not be out shooting smack because they earned the money. As a public servant, put their by the public, to serve our interests, being paid by our tax dollars, I see no problem with them being required to prove they are clean and sober when making these decisions.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Actually, yes. Because when the paycheck is written to the Senator, it becomes's the Senator's money to do with as he/she wishes- because he/she earned it. It is no longer the taxpayer's money.

    However, that was not what I was arguing above. The original legislation in this instance was a welfare reform bill. It would have helped cut down on misuses of welfare money. The ammendment had nothing to do with welfare reform. It was not a good faith effort to come to a compromise and save some tax payer dollars. It was an effort to cloud the issue- as if a state salary for legislators should have the same qualifiers as a welfare check. One was earned, one was not.
    You're being disingenuous by separating the pre-check money of the welfare recipient and the post-check money of the Senator.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    So here is the question we all want to know - What do the Indiana lawmakers have to hide? If drug testing is good enough for mothers and children who are receiving food stamps, then it is damn well good enough for lawmakers too.

    Article is here.

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    Short lived stunt....It was torpedoed by a provision for breathalyzer tests inserted...However, the measure passed today.....

    The Indiana House passed a bill 73-23 today that would establish a pilot program for drug testing for people who receive welfare assistance from Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.

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    Legislators also would face drug testing under an amendment approved Monday. Half of the legislature would face random drug testing during each session, and the House speaker and Senate president pro tempore could also order drug testing of a particular member.

    Indiana House OKs bill to drug-test welfare recipients | The Indianapolis Star | indystar.com
    Looks like it is going to be a reality, and it should be.


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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Short lived stunt....It was torpedoed by a provision for breathalyzer tests inserted...However, the measure passed today.....



    Looks like it is going to be a reality, and it should be.


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    Why should it be? Perhaps we shoudl drug test CEO's before they take a bailout or recieve corporate welfare. I wonder how many would fail a drug test?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    So state emplyees shouldn't have to take drug tests? Teachers no?
    No one said that! Go back and think about what the original intent of the legislation was. It was to make reforms to the welfare program, with the home of reducing abuses to the welfare program.

    Drug tests for teachers, legislators, or state employees- personnel issues regarding state employees is an entirely separate issue that is not even part of this thread. This is way more than thread drift. This is changing the subject.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why should it be? Perhaps we shoudl drug test CEO's before they take a bailout or recieve corporate welfare. I wonder how many would fail a drug test?

    Hey, I got no problem with that...Chances are that the people you hold such disdain for don't either...See, I have to have random drug testing for my job, I think everyone should.


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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why should it be? Perhaps we shoudl drug test CEO's before they take a bailout or recieve corporate welfare. I wonder how many would fail a drug test?
    My guess is that less than 1% (probably much, much less) of CEO's would test positive for illegal drugs. My guess is that a much, much higher percentage of welfare applicants would test positive. This is because a huge percenage of addicts are poor or penniless. This is not stereotyping. This is a symptom of addiction. If almost all drug addicts are poor, almost all addicts will apply for welfare... and almost all would fail the drug test.

    Ignore the problem, blame others. Good tactic.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Actually, yes. Because when the paycheck is written to the Senator, it becomes's the Senator's money to do with as he/she wishes- because he/she earned it. It is no longer the taxpayer's money.

    However, that was not what I was arguing above. The original legislation in this instance was a welfare reform bill. It would have helped cut down on misuses of welfare money. The ammendment had nothing to do with welfare reform. It was not a good faith effort to come to a compromise and save some tax payer dollars. It was an effort to cloud the issue- as if a state salary for legislators should have the same qualifiers as a welfare check. One was earned, one was not.
    Earned it? What planet are you from? How have they earned it? As far as I can see, Congress has done just about nothing. At least when people on welfare get their money, you know they aren't working, but when Congresscritters are expected to do the nation's business, and goof off and play political games instead, it is orders of magnitude worse, because WE EXPECT THEM TO DO THE DAMN JOB WE ARE PAYING THEM TO DO!! This makes them the worst kind of welfare loafers, even ahead of the banksters, who we gave money to so they could pay themselves bonuses they didn't deserve.

    Yea, drug test the sons of bitches (and daughters of bitches too - LOL).
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