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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Did you forget the legal-line here?

    On that note, though - being an alcoholic can get you in the hot seat, too
    There is the legal line, sure, but we aren't checking for other illegal activity such as check kiting, petty theft, drunk driving, etc... things that people at this socio-economic level might be more prone to do. Only this one.

    If the goal is to "save the children", as some here have been advocating, then alcohol can be just as devastating to the kid(s) as illegal drugs, in spite of it being legal. For most* I feel that the children aspect is just an emotional tool to justify their position, not really the position itself.

    *- I believe tessaque (sp?) is sincere in her point-of-view, for example, and I respect that, but I still disagree with her.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Anyone with advance notice can pass a piss test. It isn't hard.My best fried passes his piss tests all the time.All it takes is enough time to drive to a friend or relatives house and collect urine from a friend or relative who does not do drugs and keeping that urine warm and concealed. If they made these welfare recipients all go down the welfare office to collect their welfare and food stamps on a regular bases and randomly test them on the spot I guarantee the results would be a lot higher.
    And you absolutely are able to prove this as being factual rather than fanciful?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    What makes a person using abusing drugs any less productive than someone using alcohol. What is the REAL reason behind the drug testing?

    BTW, doing something illegal, doesn't make you unproductive by default. It's illegal to speed and there are millions of people that do it everyday.
    The real reason behind drug testing is to ensure that person doing said job or leaning on the government for said support isn't abusing illicit drugs and thus the government isn't enabling the continuation of an illegal habit.

    Do you support the government funding possible illegal drug habits for people who can't buy diapers for their babies or something?

    What's your real issue with the government drug-testing these people here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The real reason behind drug testing is to ensure that person doing said job or leaning on the government for said support isn't abusing illicit drugs and thus the government isn't enabling the continuation of an illegal habit.

    Do you support the government funding possible illegal drug habits for people who can't buy diapers for their babies or something?

    What's your real issue with the government drug-testing these people here?
    The fact it will coat billions of dollars with no clear benefit is a pretty good reason.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The real reason behind drug testing is to ensure that person doing said job or leaning on the government for said support isn't abusing illicit drugs and thus the government isn't enabling the continuation of an illegal habit.
    I won't discount that that is part of it, but I question that that is the *real* reason behind it. I believe the real reason is mindless political posturing to appeal to the mindless and shortsighted "tough on crime" and "don't spend MY money other than in ways which I think is right" crowds.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Politicians get public money too. The point of the amendment was to point out hypocrites.
    Not true. The point was to ammend the bill in such a way that it would not pass. There is a difference in a salary and a welfare check. The legislators are elected by the people to do a certain job and to receive a certain salary. It is called work- regardless of how good or bad they are at it.

    Then there is the welfare check, which is not earned money. It is charity- and you have to qualify for it. Being drug free is just a common sense qualification.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The real reason behind drug testing is to ensure that person doing said job or leaning on the government for said support isn't abusing illicit drugs and thus the government isn't enabling the continuation of an illegal habit.
    And you don't think people on welfare do the same with alcohol? Again, if you are worried about a habit, then why isn't alcohol done as well? An illegal habit is the same as a legal habit in the way they are both HABITS and are a possible detriment to the recipient trying to find work.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Do you support the government funding possible illegal drug habits for people who can't buy diapers for their babies or something?
    No more than I do alcohol, but the government doesn't seem to care if people that can't buy diapers for their babies are abusing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What's your real issue with the government drug-testing these people here?
    Consistency. If you are concerned about abuse, then all MAJOR methods of abuse should be looked at but that is not the case with this bill. So that is why I am against it. It is just demonizing pot and that's it. It serves no purpose since the majority of people abuse alcohol over illegal drugs anyway.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    There is a difference in a salary and a welfare check.
    So you're saying tax dollars to pay a politicians drug habit is better than using tax dollars to pay a welfare recipient's drug habit?

    How so? In both instances TAXPAYER'S money is being used to buy drugs.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And you don't think people on welfare do the same with alcohol? Again, if you are worried about a habit, then why isn't alcohol done as well? An illegal habit is the same as a legal habit in the way they are both HABITS and are a possible detriment to the recipient trying to find work.




    No more than I do alcohol, but the government doesn't seem to care if people that can't buy diapers for their babies are abusing it.



    Consistency. If you are concerned about abuse, then all MAJOR methods of abuse should be looked at but that is not the case with this bill. So that is why I am against it. It is just demonizing pot and that's it. It serves no purpose since the majority of people abuse alcohol over illegal drugs anyway.
    Honestly, if aid for the poor were organized in such a way to lift people out of poverty, with active management, preventing alcohol abuse, etc.
    Very few would actually use it.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    There is a difference in a salary and a welfare check.
    Both are using tax payer money. That is the bottom line.

    I support welfare recipients being drug tested. I support politicians being drug tested. Anyone who receives a regular check from tax payer dollars should be subject to it. I don't want some guy who is or was recently high on meth making decisions concerning our country's laws. I dont want a teacher who is high teaching my children. I dont want my tax dollars being handed away to people who are going to waste it away on drugs.

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