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    If the military have to take frequent "surprise" drug test, then I don't see why politicians and welfare recipients should be above it.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Republicans who constantly bitch about class warfare are the first to demonize the poor, the sick, minorities, the needy, etc. If they're not lazy bastards, they're scum who do drugs and don't take of their kids. If they're not trailer trash, they're simply there to leech off the rest of us. This is the supposedly non-class warfare mantra of modern day Conservatism in America.
    Not quite. It's the result of political nannies who declare the poor, the "sick", and the minorities too helpless & stupid to forge their own destinies.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, again, the actual data from Florida suggests that there is *less* drug use -- not more -- in the population seeking assistance than there is in the population as a whole.

    Not sure what your position is as you seem to be arguing both sides.
    Data "suggests"? Seriously, how would they actually get reliable data for that? I'll have to call B.S. on that one. And frankly, what people who pay their bills and pay taxes ingest in the form of drugs doesn't concern me as much. I think drug use should be greatly decriminalized. My position is I am not a hack that sees only one side of this issue.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    The libertarian position regarding people who can't feed themselves and their families is that charity is a function of the churches, not of the government.

    But, it that isn't practical in the real world, and it probably isn't, then the next best thing is to help people to get into a position where they can feed themselves.

    Providing money isn't likely to accomplish that end. It is more likely to foster dependence.

    So, what we do (should do) is to provide public housing and a food warehouse where they can get staples needed to feed a family. We need to gather clothing donations, so that the kids can be dressed. Along with the food, clothing, and housing aid, we need to provide job training so that they can become independent once again.

    and if we're going to continue the absurd war on drugs by testing them, then let's by all means test our public servants as well. Maybe the Congress and state legislatures will come up with more rational actions than they are doing currently.

    But, I doubt it.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    One facet not yet mentioned is cost.

    Last I checked, even for large corporations that get the cost down due to bulk, it's still about 80 bucks per person for a drug test. **** ain't free.
    Not true any more. I had to pay for my own drug tests while I was serving probation for DWI. They were 11 bucks each.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Well, again, the actual data from Florida suggests that there is *less* drug use -- not more -- in the population seeking assistance than there is in the population as a whole.

    Not sure what your position is as you seem to be arguing both sides.
    I have not read the study, but I was under the impression that it suggested drug use was "less than expected", not less than the population as a whole.

    Regardless that answer, how did they come to any conclusion without actually testing the general population randomly?

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not true any more. I had to pay for my own drug tests while I was serving probation for DWI. They were 11 bucks each.
    When I was on probation for DUI I never once got tested over the two years.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No you can't. If he is taking marijuana, it's because he has a disability, and you know the disabled can't work. LOL.
    True.

    Of course, with the four-hour work days in California, perhaps they can hold out until they get off work at 2:30.

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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Data "suggests"? Seriously, how would they actually get reliable data for that? I'll have to call B.S. on that one. And frankly, what people who pay their bills and pay taxes ingest in the form of drugs doesn't concern me as much. I think drug use should be greatly decriminalized. My position is I am not a hack that sees only one side of this issue.
    They have the data for that because Florida already has a law calling for drug testing of welfare recipients, and that's what the results showed. Welfare drug testing in Florida has surprising results : News : ConnectTriStates.com

    I should also mention that a federal judge has halted the drug testing program on 4th Amendment grounds ... which is obviously another reason why it's stupid for other states to pass similar laws.
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    Re: Drug testing for welfare recipients suffers setback

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They have the data for that because Florida already has a law calling for drug testing of welfare recipients, and that's what the results showed. Welfare drug testing in Florida has surprising results : News : ConnectTriStates.com

    I should also mention that a federal judge has halted the drug testing program on 4th Amendment grounds ... which is obviously another reason why it's stupid for other states to pass similar laws.
    From the link:
    "About 2.5% tested positive, with another 2% percent refusing to take the test. It's estimated that six percent of Americans 12 and older use illegal drugs"

    Estimated!!! Not tested, or proven... estimated. If they were wrong with their previous estimates/expectations, why should we put any credence in this estimate?

    Emphasis in bold mine.

    ETA: Any number below 10% makes the whole issue a non-starter, IMO. Just another emotional wedge issue to curry favor with particular voting blocks.
    Last edited by radcen; 01-31-12 at 02:09 PM.

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