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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    I was not there, and neither were you.

    How would you suggest they protest if they are just going to be dealt with like this every single time?

    And it's a good thing Scott Olsen isn't dead, but that doesn't make it non lethal.

    Okay, we established neither of us were there. I'm glad we got that down. Anyway, standard riot control tactics are exactly what I described. Standard riot control tactics were used in Oakland. You can see evidence of that by watching tape. The cops are in textbook formation, using the same weapons I described from my experience doing it, and you still saw occupiers throwing things at them and using shields. They have been allowed to protest for MONTHS!!! They haven't asked for anything, yet they remain. I would ask them not to break into gov't buildings and burn state property. Namely, our National Colors. Is that too much to ask? That's what caused this whole thing.
    Oh, and since we're not clear on verbage, here you go.
    le·thal   adjective
    1. of, pertaining to, or causing death; deadly; fatal: a lethal weapon; a lethal dose.
    So, in order to be lethal, something kills. By placing a "non" in front of it, we're saying it does the opposite of this definition. Now, where's my apple for teaching you something.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Okay, we established neither of us were there. I'm glad we got that down. Anyway, standard riot control tactics are exactly what I described. Standard riot control tactics were used in Oakland. You can see evidence of that by watching tape. The cops are in textbook formation, using the same weapons I described from my experience doing it, and you still saw occupiers throwing things at them and using shields. They have been allowed to protest for MONTHS!!! They haven't asked for anything, yet they remain. I would ask them not to break into gov't buildings and burn state property. Namely, our National Colors. Is that too much to ask? That's what caused this whole thing.
    Oh, and since we're not clear on verbage, here you go.
    le·thal   adjective
    1. of, pertaining to, or causing death; deadly; fatal: a lethal weapon; a lethal dose.
    So, in order to be lethal, something kills. By placing a "non" in front of it, we're saying it does the opposite of this definition. Now, where's my apple for teaching you something.
    I know what non-lethal means. However, a tear gas canister CAN be lethal if it hits you directly in the head. Scott Olsen didn't die, but he could have. That was my point.

    I agree that burning the American flag was wrong. However, as I explained earlier in this thread, I consider it to be a rather petty matter considering how people use the flag as a means to justify killing innocent civillians. I find that to be quite hypocritical.

    Also, I think you've got the chronology of the events mixed up. The flag burning happened towards the very end of the protest. The time when the protesters threw plastic bottles at police happened AFTER the police threw a smoke bomb. When the protest reconvened later that day, before the flag burning, they were kettled and escaped and then kettled again and 400 were arrested.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not neccesarily trying to justify the protesters actions. On the contrary, I find any kind of violent reaction to be very very very stupid, reactionary, and backwards. However, at the sametime, I feel like the police were out of line, as usual, and that in a way they threw gasoline on the fire.

    From what I have read, Olsen may not even have been injured by a rubber bullet or bean bag round, but it may have been a rock or bottle thrown by his fellow protesters.
    Show me the evidence.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    I know what non-lethal means. However, a tear gas canister CAN be lethal if it hits you directly in the head. Scott Olsen didn't die, but he could have. That was my point.

    I agree that burning the American flag was wrong. However, as I explained earlier in this thread, I consider it to be a rather petty matter considering how people use the flag as a means to justify killing innocent civillians. I find that to be quite hypocritical.

    Also, I think you've got the chronology of the events mixed up. The flag burning happened towards the very end of the protest. The time when the protesters threw plastic bottles at police happened AFTER the police threw a smoke bomb. When the protest reconvened later that day, before the flag burning, they were kettled and escaped and then kettled again and 400 were arrested.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not neccesarily trying to justify the protesters actions. On the contrary, I find any kind of violent reaction to be very very very stupid, reactionary, and backwards. However, at the sametime, I feel like the police were out of line, as usual, and that in a way they threw gasoline on the fire.



    Show me the evidence.
    From wikipedia:

    Occupy Oakland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A video by protesters shows the explosion of what appears to be a flash-bang device thrown by one officer near protesters attempting to aid Olsen.[98] The Associated Press later reported that it was not known exactly what kind of object had struck Olsen or who had thrown or fired it, but that protesters had been throwing rocks and bottles.[99] The Guardian reported that a projectile found near where Olsen fell was a so-called "bean bag round".[98] Olsen was rushed to the hospital by other protesters, who were fired upon with unknown police projectiles while attempting to aid him.[41][100] Doctors said that he was in critical condition. At least two other protesters were injured.[1] The American Civil Liberties Union and National Lawyers Guild are calling for an investigation into the use of excessive force by Oakland police.[42] However, the investigation by the Citizens Police Review Board is expected to last several months.[101]
    So the best answer to whether or not Olsen was actually injured by a bean bag projectile is probably "we don't really know."

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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I would love to be one of those cops. I have received riot training before and it is a great time. Playing whack-a-hippy and tear gassing a bunch of 21st Century flower children would be awesome. Or, the best part, shooting one with a bean bag round from a shotgun. Man those things hurt.
    Yeah man, or if you could have been a cop playing whack a protester back during the Boston Tea Party when those hippies all dressed up in their costumes were breaking and entering and destroying private property, bet you would have had a blast beating them back. Good times!
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    What weapons? I saw no weapons. All I saw were those shields that were being used to protect themselves and others from rubber bullets.
    Watch the video, they are clearly throwing stuff at the police.

    You are dodging my point though. What do you think about the police kettling protesters, ordering them to disperse, and then not allowing them to leave?
    Well I think that people who show up somewhere with shields and build fires are not intending on leaving even if the police tell them too. Besides the fact that they were not protesting they were attempting to illegally take over a building to use as their headquarters. The Anarchist's were going on a rampage before the police showed up. They built fires in the road they broke windows and were dressed for battle, so any sane person would assume the worst. The police showed up to contain a riot that was in process.

    Dont pretend that the Anarchist's were innocent by standers just holding up signs, cause nothing could be farther from the truth.

    Peaceful people do not storm a police line with shields while throwing objects at the police. It is that simple.

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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Watch the video, they are clearly throwing stuff at the police.



    Well I think that people who show up somewhere with shields and build fires are not intending on leaving even if the police tell them too. Besides the fact that they were not protesting they were attempting to illegally take over a building to use as their headquarters. The Anarchist's were going on a rampage before the police showed up. They built fires in the road they broke windows and were dressed for battle, so any sane person would assume the worst. The police showed up to contain a riot that was in process.

    Dont pretend that the Anarchist's were innocent by standers just holding up signs, cause nothing could be farther from the truth.

    Peaceful people do not storm a police line with shields while throwing objects at the police. It is that simple.
    I don't disagree with the fact that some of the protesters were being violent. However, the incident I'm reffering to took place later that evening.

    I'm not trying to argue that the protesters were justified in behaving the way they did, but I think the idea of defending a police department that has regularily sought to crush these protesters with extreme prejudice, and which has a history of assassinations and police brutality, is absurd.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Heres a tip...stop voting for the recipients of those corporate bribes...
    You mean stop voting for anybody who runs for anything? I for one wish anybody trying that good luck. Special interests have two finger's squarely inserted in America's vagina.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah man, or if you could have been a cop playing whack a protester back during the Boston Tea Party when those hippies all dressed up in their costumes were breaking and entering and destroying private property, bet you would have had a blast beating them back. Good times!
    Nah, I like the Tea Partiers, obviously. I don't like Occupy. So, I would like to hit them, really hard, repeatedly.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    I agree that burning the American flag was wrong. However, as I explained earlier in this thread, I consider it to be a rather petty matter considering how people use the flag as a means to justify killing innocent civillians. I find that to be quite hypocritical.
    Q: Where did they get that flag ??

    A: From inside City Hall after they broke into it, destroying public property.

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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You mean stop voting for anybody who runs for anything? I for one wish anybody trying that good luck. Special interests have two finger's squarely inserted in America's vagina.
    Its a tough call then huh? Claim to hate corporate/banker/broker influence...vote for the politicians that actively lobby for and receive the bulk of those donations. What to do...what to do...

    We arent talking about people FORCING their cash into those politicians pockets...we are talking about politicians that schedule fundraisers to RAISE that cash. Now...why would they have this symbiotic relationship?

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