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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    I would love to be one of those cops. I have received riot training before and it is a great time. Playing whack-a-hippy and tear gassing a bunch of 21st Century flower children would be awesome. Or, the best part, shooting one with a bean bag round from a shotgun. Man those things hurt.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    And the Anarchists brought shields and weapons because they are just innocent people right?
    What weapons? I saw no weapons. All I saw were those shields that were being used to protect themselves and others from rubber bullets.

    You are dodging my point though. What do you think about the police kettling protesters, ordering them to disperse, and then not allowing them to leave?

    I would love to be one of those cops. I have received riot training before and it is a great time. Playing whack-a-hippy and tear gassing a bunch of 21st Century flower children would be awesome. Or, the best part, shooting one with a bean bag round from a shotgun. Man those things hurt.
    LOL I wish those cops were as honest as you were. What a great way to contribute to our media publicity campaign. Just like the NYPD did.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I would love to be one of those cops. I have received riot training before and it is a great time. Playing whack-a-hippy and tear gassing a bunch of 21st Century flower children would be awesome. Or, the best part, shooting one with a bean bag round from a shotgun. Man those things hurt.
    Reminded me of this:


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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    What weapons? I saw no weapons. All I saw were those shields that were being used to protect themselves and others from rubber bullets.

    You are dodging my point though. What do you think about the police kettling protesters, ordering them to disperse, and then not allowing them to leave?
    Kettling (also known as containment or corralling) is a police tactic for controlling large crowds during demonstrations or protests. It involves the formation of large cordons of police officers who then move to contain a crowd within a limited area. Protesters are left only one choice of exit, determined by the police. In some cases protesters are reported to have been denied access to food, water and toilet facilities for long periods.
    So, what's the issue? If they don't want a confrontation, they can turn around and leave. I've seen tape of this particular incident. The Occupiers could simply turn around and walk away. They chose not to. I have received training in riot control. I know the term you use intimately. The purpose of kettling is to A) Keep the crowd from splintering into small groups resulting in police having to seperate and risk bodily harm B) Wear down protestors so they lose the will to fight C) Ensure protesters are removed from the source of their anger in order to divert their attention and attempt a peaceful dispersion. None of the tools the police use are lethal. CS (tear) gas? Marines are required to re-qualify in the CS chamber every year. Bean bag rounds? They hurt, but don't kill you. Ask Johnny Knoxville lol. Batons? When used properly (to hit limbs and immobilize) they are not either. Its an easy choice for occupiers. Pain or disperse. They chose pain. I enjoyed watching it inflicted on them. I think more of them need it.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Kettling (also known as containment or corralling) is a police tactic for controlling large crowds during demonstrations or protests. It involves the formation of large cordons of police officers who then move to contain a crowd within a limited area. Protesters are left only one choice of exit, determined by the police. In some cases protesters are reported to have been denied access to food, water and toilet facilities for long periods.
    So, what's the issue? If they don't want a confrontation, they can turn around and leave. I've seen tape of this particular incident. The Occupiers could simply turn around and walk away. They chose not to. I have received training in riot control. I know the term you use intimately. The purpose of kettling is to A) Keep the crowd from splintering into small groups resulting in police having to seperate and risk bodily harm B) Wear down protestors so they lose the will to fight C) Ensure protesters are removed from the source of their anger in order to divert their attention and attempt a peaceful dispersion. None of the tools the police use are lethal. CS (tear) gas? Marines are required to re-qualify in the CS chamber every year. Bean bag rounds? They hurt, but don't kill you. Ask Johnny Knoxville lol. Batons? When used properly (to hit limbs and immobilize) they are not either. Its an easy choice for occupiers. Pain or disperse. They chose pain. I enjoyed watching it inflicted on them. I think more of them need it.
    Turn around and walk away where? There was nowhere to go. The police had blocked all exits. They had to literally create an exit to escape from them. Meanwhile the police were firing tear gas and charging the crowd.

    Don't get me wrong. I have criticized this action for being poorly organized and stupid, however I don't think it's a good idea for the police to add fuel to the fire.

    And btw, a tear gas canister can be lethal if it hits you in the face. Scott Olsen, a marine vet, was critically injured during a protest in Oakland a few months back.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    [QUOTE=StillBallin75;1060166769]Reminded me of this:


    HILARIOUS! Here's a good one. Not people shooting each other, but a good prank regardless. I know moderators, this isn't a video thread. We're stopping now.
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    Bored Marine videos are the best way to kill free time these days.

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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    Turn around and walk away where? There was nowhere to go. The police had blocked all exits. They had to literally create an exit to escape from them. Meanwhile the police were firing tear gas and charging the crowd.

    Don't get me wrong. I have criticized this action for being poorly organized and stupid, however I don't think it's a good idea for the police to add fuel to the fire.

    And btw, a tear gas canister can be lethal if it hits you in the face. Scott Olsen, a marine vet, was critically injured during a protest in Oakland a few months back.
    Where you at the protests? If not, I doubt you know whether there was an exit or not. If police don't deal with these idiots forcefully, it will turn into a battle of wills where each side stares at each other and police deflect rocks and whatever else they throw for a few hours. Then, police are viewed as weak, protestors don't leave, which equals anarchy. BTW, is Scott Olsen dead? No, which means non-lethal.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Where you at the protests? If not, I doubt you know whether there was an exit or not. If police don't deal with these idiots forcefully, it will turn into a battle of wills where each side stares at each other and police deflect rocks and whatever else they throw for a few hours. Then, police are viewed as weak, protestors don't leave, which equals anarchy. BTW, is Scott Olsen dead? No, which means non-lethal.
    I was not there, and neither were you.

    How would you suggest they protest if they are just going to be dealt with like this every single time?

    And it's a good thing Scott Olsen isn't dead, but that doesn't make it non lethal.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    Turn around and walk away where? There was nowhere to go. The police had blocked all exits. They had to literally create an exit to escape from them. Meanwhile the police were firing tear gas and charging the crowd.

    Don't get me wrong. I have criticized this action for being poorly organized and stupid, however I don't think it's a good idea for the police to add fuel to the fire.

    And btw, a tear gas canister can be lethal if it hits you in the face. Scott Olsen, a marine vet, was critically injured during a protest in Oakland a few months back.
    From what I have read, Olsen may not even have been injured by a rubber bullet or bean bag round, but it may have been a rock or bottle thrown by his fellow protesters.

    I absolutely detest idiots who **** with the cops and then whine about police brutality. The cops don't want to spend the day babysitting and roughing up protesters anymore than the protesters like to be shot and tear gassed. They just want to do their job and get home to their families at the end of the day, hopefully without having hurt anyone.
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