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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    Wrong question.

    I still don't see how any of this has to do with OWS. I said it once but, since you have chosen to remain ignorant, I will state it again: OWS is an all inclusive, leaderless movement. Therefore, it does not have a set, pre-designed plan for shaping society in it's image. The reason for this is because as it is an all inclusive, leaderless movement, there are many people with many different opinions. Anybody who claims to be speaking on behalf of OWS is lying. The FDL website, for example, might have it's own opinion and may have even contributed to OWS BUT that does not mean they speak for everyone in OWS. As far as your second post goes, that is just something you pulled out of your behind to try and dismiss OWS.

    Let me clarify though by saying that you would have a good point in everything you have said thus far, had it not been for the fact that you say that these things are what OWS is about. That is incorrect. If you want to know what OWS actually, factually stands for, you will have to read the Declaration of Occupation, which I had cited earlier which, to save you some time and energy because you probably will not take the effort to read it anyways, says NOTHING about creating a new society, abolishing the government, or anything that you just said.
    I have read it many times and have previously linked it myself and quoted it. Do not call me ignorant I know a lot about the occupy movement. Perhaps more than you do apparently.

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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I tried the rational approach a while back, its not going to work in this case.
    By rational he meant dogmatic denial of reality.


    Both of you listen up. You are discrediting yourselves by claiming that the occupy movement is all peachy and innocent. We still have the internet, we can all still just google and find everything that I have claimed. You cant claim that a movement is leaderless and has no defined ideology then turn around and claim it is something good. By your own definition the occupy movement is pointless bitching. I find it funny that no one group represents the movement yet I am not talking about one group. I am talking about the collective that is the occupy movement.

    This collective: I base my claims on what the majority of those groups are saying publicly on the official websites of each and every occupy group in the world. DO you understand that? I am only parroting the entire occupy movement. The minority are people like you guys that think that its only about reforms. Wake up its all out there straight from the horses mouth. SO dont try to tell me what I do and do not know.

    Personally I will not stand by and watch a bunch of Leftist destroy this country and hand it in the laps of the religious right. And your perception of what i know or what you think I am is meaningless.

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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post

    Both of you listen up.

    You cant claim that a movement is leaderless and has no defined ideology then turn around and claim it is something good.

    Personally I will not stand by and watch a bunch of Leftist destroy this country and hand it in the laps of the religious right.

    I thought these were the funniest parts!!!!

    Sorry, I can't take your posts seriously anymore.
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I have read it many times and have previously linked it myself and quoted it. Do not call me ignorant I know a lot about the occupy movement. Perhaps more than you do apparently.
    Then why can you not respond to anything I have just said????
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    Then why can you not respond to anything I have just said????
    Lol I did respond to what you just said. I actually addressed both points.

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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Which argument..
    The whole part how you seem that when people protests its nothing but winny little grils.
    You seem to think that protests are un American... Am i correct?

    .that the pathetic little ****s arent to be feared?
    What?

    What...you think they are?
    Protesters speaking their minds in the form of protest. Trying to change the country.

    Oh...wait...I get it...I insulted your skinny girl jeans.
    I dont wear "skinny girl jeans"

    Too bad...you look like a douche...stop wearing them.
    Ahhh yes....
    We have came to this point..
    Classic Vance personal attacks...


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The whole part how you seem that when people protests its nothing but winny little grils.
    You seem to think that protests are un American... Am i correct?


    What?


    Protesters speaking their minds in the form of protest. Trying to change the country.


    I dont wear "skinny girl jeans"


    Ahhh yes....
    We have came to this point..
    Classic Vance personal attacks...
    not like YOUR original response, right? Hypocrite much? And I guess you missed the prominent picture posted of the whiny bitch 'anarchists'...

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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    "The violent clashes have also placed Oakland under nationwide scrutiny, renewed concerns about excessive force and solidified the city’s soiled reputation as a place where protesters and criminals, and even sometimes the police, run amok.

    Since the department’s eviction of Occupy Oakland from Frank H. Ogawa Plaza on Oct. 25, it has received hundreds of complaints about police misconduct, including accusations of excessive force and concealed name badges.

    The department is still investigating the case of Scott Olsen, an Iraq War veteran whose skull was fractured on Oct. 25 after he was hit by a projectile allegedly fired by the police at the Occupy encampment. Some other accusations of misconduct have prompted lawsuits.

    “A lot of these things would be obviated if they followed their own policies,” said Bobbie Stein, a lawyer affiliated with the National Lawyers Guild who helped draft Oakland’s crowd control policy in 2005. The guidelines were developed under federal court supervision after the police fired wooden bullets and shot-filled beanbags at antiwar demonstrators at the Port of Oakland in 2003."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us...nd-police.html
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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "The violent clashes have also placed Oakland under nationwide scrutiny, renewed concerns about excessive force and solidified the city’s soiled reputation as a place where protesters and criminals, and even sometimes the police, run amok.

    Since the department’s eviction of Occupy Oakland from Frank H. Ogawa Plaza on Oct. 25, it has received hundreds of complaints about police misconduct, including accusations of excessive force and concealed name badges.

    The department is still investigating the case of Scott Olsen, an Iraq War veteran whose skull was fractured on Oct. 25 after he was hit by a projectile allegedly fired by the police at the Occupy encampment. Some other accusations of misconduct have prompted lawsuits.

    “A lot of these things would be obviated if they followed their own policies,” said Bobbie Stein, a lawyer affiliated with the National Lawyers Guild who helped draft Oakland’s crowd control policy in 2005. The guidelines were developed under federal court supervision after the police fired wooden bullets and shot-filled beanbags at antiwar demonstrators at the Port of Oakland in 2003."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us...nd-police.html
    So much for the presumption of innocence?

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    Re: Oakland police arresting about 100 protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So much for the presumption of innocence?
    Did you see who made the quote? It wasn't some OWS protester, it was Bobbie Stein, a lawyer affiliated with the National Lawyers Guild who helped draft Oakland’s crowd control policy in 2005.
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