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    Re: Ron Paul signed off on racist newsletters in the 1990s, associates say

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    We've already established that, in this day and age, in american politics, an election is about trying to choose whoever is the least bad, the lesser scum, so to speak. In my mind, Paul is STILL the lesser scum.
    The question is.....who actually puts the *lesser scums* in office? Rubber stamp it for them first?

    The *lesser scum*....er.. electorate?

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    Re: Ron Paul signed off on racist newsletters in the 1990s, associates say

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Do you live in a world where people simply stamp a politician's name on random **** and they don't know about it? Your acrobatics are Cirque du Soleil worthy.
    Surely a legislator would never have his or her name attached to something he or she didn't really read. At least Paul had it attached to a harmless newsletter as opposed to legislation that impacts the entire country.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Then that makes him an idiot for signing off on them. The responsibility is his, and he should not have lied about it. That is what makes it so bad.
    He said he bore some level of responsibility for what went out, but there is no indication that he has lied at any time. Were I just looking over the newsletters I probably wouldn't notice this kind of material because nothing about it pops off the page. It isn't prominently placed in the newsletter, it doesn't use any obvious problem words, and the material itself is so small. Someone looking over a newsletter or a newspaper is most likely to focus on the beginning and end, while the middle gets neglected. More to the point, the staffer in the article is quoted as saying "he got to see the final product" not specifically whether he always did see it, or whether he would always proof it. The quote is edited selectively to give the impression that he always saw the newsletter and always read it, even though that is never actually said. For all we know between "he got to see" and "he would proof it" she said "So sometimes he would come in to look at the newsletter" and she and the reporter would be the only ones who know. Never mind that after 15 years people's memories begin to get a little foggy and muddled.

    The one anonymous source they have does not actually have as much credibility because they don't even directly quote the source. Rather they paraphrase what he said and since he is anonymous we cannot check out what he actually said as we could conceivably do with the named staffer. There is a lot of perfidy going on with this report and until there is some clarification on these points you would be remiss to reach any conclusions about it.

    On a further note I found one report mentioning this Hathway person, it's a Google cache:

    Victoria Advocate | "Reading Ron Paul (first published Sun., March 4)" by pbrendel

    It mentions her coming on board some time in 1991 as subscription manager i.e. not involved in the editorial process, and it doesn't mention how long she stayed on in that position. Some of the worse stuff, in my opinion, came from 1990. Given her role it seems highly unlikely that she would be all that privy to the goings-on with the newsletter's production and editing. So her account of what went on is less reliable than if she were involved in writing or editing the material.
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    Re: Ron Paul signed off on racist newsletters in the 1990s, associates say

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The question is.....who actually puts the *lesser scums* in office? Rubber stamp it for them first?

    The *lesser scum*....er.. electorate?
    No. This is indicative of a much more systemic problem, and that is apathy. In the presidential election topic, I had a thread where I went and dug up and posted the voting records of the candidates who had it, and then the general political history of those who had not served in the house or senate. It was actually a pretty monumental task, thanks to Newt, because SOME of those folks have pretty lengthy voting records (Paul comes to mine, but he mostly voted No, so it was pretty easy). The other monumental area of that task was that bills are not strait forwards. The bill's title, typically, is in no way an indicator of what the bill actually has in it, in it's entirety. So, a brief run down has to be written, and even then, I'm absolutely, 100% CERTAIN, that I missed some key things, like pork or earmarks. For instance, a bill titled "For congress to reinvest and save the child care act" or whatever, could easily be about increasing the federal budget for highways, in addition to school funding, or whatever. And honestly, who's going to read 500 pages of legal speak, to find those sorts of things out?

    So, we go by what we hear in speeches and debates, and what gets presented to us via the media, etc.
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    Re: Ron Paul signed off on racist newsletters in the 1990s, associates say

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And honestly, who's going to read 500 pages of legal speak, to find those sorts of things out?

    So, we go by what we hear in speeches and debates, and what gets presented to us via the media, etc.
    The greater the complexity, the more you need a specialist in that complexity. And to make it worse, the same experts (lawyers) have to write the rules (laws) to try and keep other lawyers from finding other loopholes.


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    Re: Ron Paul signed off on racist newsletters in the 1990s, associates say

    This was out months ago...is it really breaking news?
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    Re: Ron Paul signed off on racist newsletters in the 1990s, associates say

    So DoL, you position is that he isn't really racist, he is just a ****ty leader? That should make people want to vote for him how?
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    Re: Ron Paul signed off on racist newsletters in the 1990s, associates say

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So DoL, you position is that he isn't really racist, he is just a ****ty leader? That should make people want to vote for him how?
    Sorry Redress, slim field in the Republican Party. They take what they can get.
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    Re: Ron Paul signed off on racist newsletters in the 1990s, associates say

    This really doesn't seem to go against what I seem to remember was the general argument this whole time...that Paul signed off on these things but didn't really closely look over his news letter. More of a rubber stamp thing.

    So yeah, it speaks poorly to his judge of character and decision making. A negative...one that's hardly unique to Ron Paul.

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    Re: Ron Paul signed off on racist newsletters in the 1990s, associates say

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No one can prove or disapprove his approval of the message in the letters or that he even read them.
    They were his newsletters.

    They were published under his name.

    Three different staffers have stated his involvement with each and every page of them.

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    Re: Ron Paul signed off on racist newsletters in the 1990s, associates say

    WAIT.

    Serious question for ALL of you ****ting on Paul (a man I personally cannot stand but that's neither here nor there.):

    You say if DoL is right, that he just looked over a few bits, and trusted others to get it right... that makes him a bad leader?

    Aren't ya'll the same folks that support Obama, Reid, Pelosi and such wonderful things like Obamacare... ya know, **** THEY didn't read before making it the law of the land? So don't you go getting your panties in a knot over some newsletter 20 years ago not being thoroughly read by Paul as being bad leadership then turn around and defend Obama and Co for doing far less reading with far more important papers.


    Besides, Paul probably didn't think of the papers as racist...
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