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NAVY SEALS night-time raid

Great job by a bunch of amazing men. I've had the honor of meeting several SEALs and former SEALs over the years and they are truly the cream of the crop when it comes to what they do. Very glad they all came home in one piece.

On the other hand, I am TOTALLY against using US Military personnel to go rescuing American (and especially foreign) civilians who are too stupid to stay out of harms way. Somalia is NOT a tourist destination or a safe place for Westerners to work. I would have to bet the US State Department probably suggests AGAINST US citizens traveling there for any reason. This woman chose to ignore that basic common sense. They should have let her rot.

Perfect example of a modern day conservative. But I do get the point and perhaps it does have some validity. But the message is lost when the messenger is such a <fill-in-the blank.>


I'm surprised the GOP didn't filibuster this decision too. That Obama is one bad-ass mo' fo'. (Actually, the S.E.A.L.'s are bad ass. Obama is merely their commander in chief.) I thank God that the GOP is fading away. Finally.
 
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Perfect example of a modern day conservative. But I do get the point and perhaps it does have some validity. But the message is lost when the messenger is such a <fill-in-the blank.>.

The message is out there. It's up to others whether they choose to accept it or not, Cap.

I'm surprised the GOP didn't filibuster this decision too. That Obama is one bad-ass mo' fo'. (Actually, the S.E.A.L.'s are bad ass. Obama is merely their commander in chief.) I thank God that the GOP is fading away. Finally.

Careful, you might find the GOP relaced with the RPG very shortly.
 
Way to go, seals!

The message is clear: Take American hostages, and expect to get a visit in the middle of the night by heroes ready to shoot your sorry **** and take them back. There is no downside to this story.... what? a downside? Really? What?




The Republicans cant go on and on about how weak the Democrat president is and how he gives in to terrorists!

Oh, that downside. Too bad.
 
Just because we are the opposition party doesn't mean we have to disagree with everything he does. He has made some good calls and I give him credit where it is due.
 
Just because we are the opposition party doesn't mean we have to disagree with everything he does. He has made some good calls and I give him credit where it is due.

awesome. thanks for this post.
 
I think they are doing a good job and should continue. I do wonder though why the SEALs seem to be in the news so much lately, they aren't our only special operations group.
The Seals, especially Team Six, are the public face of the USA Special Ops.

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Once she decided to leave the United States she would no longer have been my daughter, so it wouldn't have made any difference to me.

Your "family values" are fundamentally diseased and I would be ashamed to be associated with them. She left the country with noble intentions and did not in any fashion betray or compromise her family in doing so; if you would disown your own daughter for this, then the dishonor of doing so would be entirely on your part. Family comes before nation and it comes before politics... Always.

Sixty posts on this thread and 26 of them are either from or about Tigger and his skewed view of the world. What about the Navy Seals??

What about them? They did a good thing here. Probably get medals for it. But if they were the kind of people that needed the praise of anonymous strangers or the promise of medals to do the kinds of things they do, they wouldn't be SEALS in the first place. Everyone knows who and what the SEALS are and how deserving of praise they are.

so you too, would deny your own daughter? i'm quite surprised james.

I'm actually divided on the issue of whether or not we should use our military for this. Our willingness to make such sacrifices to rescue hostages tells our enemies that taking hostages is an effective tactic to use against us. At least surgical raids are a better alternative than paying ransoms, like some European countries have been known to do.

I'm capable of making the cold calculation to say that the government should not do something that is good for my family but wrong for the nation-- but I would not be capable of turning a blind eye to the fate of my own child in that situation. If my government will not assist me in this matter, then the responsibility would fall upon me.
 
I do not have any children, nor do I ever have the intention of having any children.
Neither do I, but that doesn't mean the day will never come when I might lose this narcissistic fear of saggy boobs and stretch marks.

People and minds change so don't run off and get yourself neutered__It's better to havem and not needem than to needem and not havem.

No my conviction has never been tested and likely never will be. Remember that I am not a big believer in Love; neither romantic nor familial as the basis for any form or relationship. Laws, Ideology, and Order are what I base my life on. If my heart were able to be melted by a pair of sad eyes and an apology I'd be a Liberal, not a Conservative.
Uh-huh, yea right mr macho conservative__You tuff guys always seem to fall the hardest__Crash-Boom-Bang! :nails

One day little miss perfect will come along and stroke your ego so hard your heart will slap all those silly notions right out of your head.

And you better treat her right mister, or I'll send both of my big brothers over there to give you a crash course on how to be a gentleman.
 
Since this thread is several pages long, I'm sure it has been completely derailed by now. However, I encourage everyone to read the entire article linked in the OP. What these SEALs accomplished, and how they accomplished it, is utterly mind-boggling. These men must have nerves of hardened titanium to have pulled off such a dangerous and courageous rescue under seemingly impossible conditions.

True heroes, one and all. I am in awe.
 
Since this thread is several pages long, I'm sure it has been completely derailed by now. However, I encourage everyone to read the entire article linked in the OP. What these SEALs accomplished, and how they accomplished it, is utterly mind-boggling. These men must have nerves of hardened titanium to have pulled off such a dangerous and courageous rescue under seemingly impossible conditions.

True heroes, one and all. I am in awe.

I'll second that.
 
Originally Posted by Tigger
Once she decided to leave the United States she would no longer have been my daughter, so it wouldn't have made any difference to me.

Your "family values" are fundamentally diseased and I would be ashamed to be associated with them. She left the country with noble intentions and did not in any fashion betray or compromise her family in doing so; if you would disown your own daughter for this, then the dishonor of doing so would be entirely on your part. Family comes before nation and it comes before politics... Always.

Always, no question. Why would Tigger feel this way?

Originally Posted by Tigger
I do not have any children, nor do I ever have the intention of having any children.

Oh, that's why.

If Tigger ever changes his mind about having children, I hope for their sake he changes his views on family loyalty as well.
 
Always, no question. Why would Tigger feel this way?

I don't know. Many "family values" conservatives also claim that they would disown their unwed daughter if she became pregnant; I find the idea of abandoning my children when they need me most to be so morally repugnant that it makes me physically ill. "Family values" indeed.
 
Yeah these guys are true Americans and know how to get things done.
 
so you too, would deny your own daughter? i'm quite surprised james.

I would be sad regardless of which loved one decided to leave the safety of the US and go to a country that is hostile to Americans.But still we shouldn't be risking the lives of our troops to rescue idiot civilians who decide to go to countries hostile to Americans.
 
Gee and here I thought that pro-life meant all life and that people who sacrifice so others can have a better life are noble. As it turns out you too are part of that hypocrisy tiger is. Only fetal life matters since that requires nothing from you to sacrifice..
If you know how to look up words in a dictionary you would know that pro-life doesn't mean all life.

Hence your hypocrisy.
Opposing legalized abortion does not make me a hypocrite it makes me pro-life.

Please spare me your inane diversion and for the record I am a gun owner and defender of the second
If you are going to make up idiotic claims as to what pro-life means then I shall do the same with pro-choice.
 
I'm seeing a lot of armchair QB's on here saying that this is the way we should operate against terrorism. Well, yeah, that would work if all of you saying it would go volunteer in Somalia, Iran, Afghanistan, etc. Well, we're waiting..........
 
I'm seeing a lot of armchair QB's on here saying that this is the way we should operate against terrorism. Well, yeah, that would work if all of you saying it would go volunteer in Somalia, Iran, Afghanistan, etc. Well, we're waiting..........

Tried that. Isn't a government on Earth wants me anywhere near a gun.
 
Tried that. Isn't a government on Earth wants me anywhere near a gun.
Maybe you misunderstood or I wasn't clear. I meant volunteer like the objectives of this rescue. Pretty sure the only gun they got near was the one to their temple en route to the terrorist safe house.
 
It's worth pointing out now that it's imperialist racist raids like these that are why people hate us, and that if the SEALs had never gone in, those people never would have been kidnapped in the first place.
 
It's worth pointing out now that it's imperialist racist raids like these that are why people hate us, and that if the SEALs had never gone in, those people never would have been kidnapped in the first place.
Somalia pirates don't just target Americans, they'll target anyone if they think it'll get them money.
 
Your "family values" are fundamentally diseased and I would be ashamed to be associated with them. She left the country with noble intentions and did not in any fashion betray or compromise her family in doing so; if you would disown your own daughter for this, then the dishonor of doing so would be entirely on your part. Family comes before nation and it comes before politics... Always.

I understand what her intentions were, and they are noble ones. I would also suggest that she could have done just as much good work here INSIDE the United States as she could have over there, though in different avenues. Nothing comes before Ideology. Nothing.


Neither do I, but that doesn't mean the day will never come when I might lose this narcissistic fear of saggy boobs and stretch marks.

I've never really been high on the idea of being a father. It's not the sort of job that I have an interest in. Especially in this day and age.

People and minds change so don't run off and get yourself neutered__It's better to havem and not needem than to needem and not havem.

I'm 37. I'd be damn close to 40 before I could be a father (even if I met Ms. Right TONIGHT); and at that point it's too late in life to be changing diapers and stuff like that. Besides. I'd be dead before he/she was 30.

Uh-huh, yea right mr macho conservative__You tuff guys always seem to fall the hardest__Crash-Boom-Bang! :nails.

Don't count on that.

One day little miss perfect will come along and stroke your ego so hard your heart will slap all those silly notions right out of your head. And you better treat her right mister, or I'll send both of my big brothers over there to give you a crash course on how to be a gentleman.

LOL. Little Miss Perfect for Me doesn't exist. I've already come to that conclusion, Empirica.


If Tigger ever changes his mind about having children, I hope for their sake he changes his views on family loyalty as well.

Don't count on either of those things ever changing.


I don't know. Many "family values" conservatives also claim that they would disown their unwed daughter if she became pregnant; I find the idea of abandoning my children when they need me most to be so morally repugnant that it makes me physically ill. "Family values" indeed.

The Values of the Family are set by the Father, not the children. It's that simple.
 
Somalia pirates don't just target Americans, they'll target anyone if they think it'll get them money.

not true - somali pirates only target Americans because of George Bush's evil wars.
 
not true - somali pirates only target Americans because of George Bush's evil wars.

I'm not sure about that. They target anyone/thing for money. We just rescued Iranians because they thought they were valuable. Or the American's on the luxury yacht. Oil tankers, merchant vessels. The pirates are there because of some horrors in their nation, not because the saw Pirates of the Caribbean and thought that was a great idea.
 
I'm not sure about that. They target anyone/thing for money.

no. they are only defending themselves. If George Bush hadn't lied us into war, Somali Pirates would be peaceful and lay down their arms. If we were to withdraw from the Middle East, they would all get along.
 
Nice work by the Seals. There is no doubt in my mind that the two aid workers who were rescued knew the risks involved before they undertook their assignment. Whilst they will be obviously very grateful for their freedom they would not have believed it to be their "right" or expected the US to automatically come to their rescue.
 
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