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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    What he didn't like was my honest announcement that if a child of mine chose to go against my wishes, I'd abandon them to their own devices.
    Paternal love conditional on obedience. Hmm. That's revealing.
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    In all fairness Hazl, isn't that how you view conservatism too? I know that's how it often appears to me.
    Conservatism used to be pragmatic government, thoughtful cutting of waste, and protecting Americans at home and abroad. Conservatives used to abide the law of the land and outcomes of elections. Acceptance and respect for the process. (e.g. if a man is elected president he gets to appoint federal judges, short of corruption or major qualification issues, this used to be a straightforward process.)

    When legislature passes a bill that creates a needed financial services regulatory and consumer protection body, blocking the appointment of someone to run that body for TWO YEARS is not conservatism, it's radicalism. Just because you didn't vote for a bill that passed, it is still the law of the land. Respect the process.

    Anyway, sorry for the mini-rant.
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    What he didn't like was my honest announcement that if a child of mine chose to go against my wishes, I'd abandon them to their own devices.
    True, dat. Double true.

    I feel sorry for your children, if you have any. Because that statement, IMO, reveals an almost sociopathic concept of parenting.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Conservatism used to be pragmatic government, thoughtful cutting of waste, and protecting Americans at home and abroad. Conservatives used to abide the law of the land and outcomes of elections. Acceptance and respect for the process.
    I think you have to go a long way back to see that. Perhaps it's different with American conservatives. The one's I remember growing up in the UK always seemed to be the typical class warriors for the bourgeoisie, plutocracy and aristocracy - just as they appear to be today.
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    In other words, you don't have any significant response to what I'm supposedly "missing" in all of this. You just can't believe that anyone would actually expect American citizens to understand that once they leave the safety and comfort of the United States that they should not expect the US Military to come riding to their rescue the moment they get themselves in trouble simply because they're US Citizens. Sorry, that's not what the US Military was intended to be used for.
    Protect Americans at home and abroad?



    Then who should we send, the Maricopa county Sheriff's Department?

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Another meltdown on something Tigger said. What's new?
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    What he didn't like was my honest announcement that if a child of mine chose to go against my wishes, I'd abandon them to their own devices.
    I don't believe a word of it Tigger__Oh, I'm sure you believe this as you speak but most likely your conviction has never been put to the test.

    True love, especially the kind a parent has for their children, doesn't come to a screeching halt simply because they disobey or disappoint you.

    When they look up at you with those big sad baby blues/greens/browns and say "daddy, I'm sorry" your heart will melt like a soft-serve in July.
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Protect Americans at home and abroad?
    No. To protect the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Just as the police do not have a requirement to protect or defend an individual citizen from harm, the job of the US Military is to protect the COUNTRY, not the population individually.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Then who should we send, the Maricopa county Sheriff's Department?
    Nobody. These people have chosen to move beyond the reach of the legal and societal boundaries of the United States and therefore are on their own so far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Sour grapes because you can't afford to travel abroad?

    Just wondering...
    What does that have to do with the fact the military shouldn't be used to bail out civilians who knowingly go to countries hostile to Americans?Would you go to Iran,Somalia, North Korea or some other country hostile to Americans?Anyone with common sense would know to avoid those places. Amazing how you like to resort to lies instead of actually debating the issue. I am surprised you didn't pull out the race card.
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    I'm going to reply to these two comments on the tangent, then let's get back to the topic at hand. If anyone wishes to comment on this tangent from here on, please reply via PM.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I feel sorry for your children, if you have any. Because that statement, IMO, reveals an almost sociopathic concept of parenting.
    I do not have any children, nor do I ever have the intention of having any children.


    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    I don't believe a word of it Tigger__Oh, I'm sure you believe this as you speak but most likely your conviction has never been put to the test.

    True love, especially the kind a parent has for their children, doesn't come to a screeching halt simply because they disobey or disappoint you.

    When they look up at you with those big sad baby blues/greens/browns and say "daddy, I'm sorry" your heart will melt like a soft-serve in July.
    No my conviction has never been tested and likely never will be. Remember that I am not a big believer in Love; neither romantic nor familial as the basis for any form or relationship. Laws, Ideology, and Order are what I base my life on. If my heart were able to be melted by a pair of sad eyes and an apology I'd be a Liberal, not a Conservative.

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