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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    i think you're giving Somali pirates way too much credit.
    They ain't rocket scientists, but this ain't rocket science. As we have seen with more sophisiticated hostage takers, they take measures to reduce the invitation of a successful rescue.

    We have certainly just upped the ante. They will as well.

    The Current Status of Somali Piracy

    According to a recent BBC report, Somali pirates seized a record 1,181 hostages in 2010, and were paid many millions of dollars in ransom.
    In the Fall of 2011, more than 300 hundred people were being held hostage by various pirate groups based in Somalia.

    http://goafrica.about.com/od/africanews/a/pirates.htm
    I am assuming there are a few hundred there still. Am sure things have changed for them in these last couple of days.
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    They ain't rocket scientists, but this ain't rocket science. As we have seen with more sophisiticated hostage takers, they take measures to reduce the invitation of a successful rescue.

    We have certainly just upped the ante. They will as well.
    We have upped the ante, no doubt. Should we have just kept the status quo, maybe paid a ransom or just let them kill the hostages? What might the result of that have been?
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We have upped the ante, no doubt. Should we have just kept the status quo, maybe paid a ransom or just let them kill the hostages? What might the result of that have been?
    No easy answer. To my knowledge, they are not killing hostages yet. As I noted earlier, we need to go after the pirate strongholds, and boats, that we have identified as being a part of the hostage takers. Just as we bomb the Taliban in Pakistan and Yemen, for instance.

    Nor am I against rescue missions. But to engage in a mini-mission to get just two is, in my appreciation of these things, a tactical and political win, but a strategic loss.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    No easy answer. To my knowledge, they are not killing hostages yet. As I noted earlier, we need to go after the pirate strongholds, and boats, that we have identified as being a part of the hostage takers. Just as we bomb the Taliban in Pakistan and Yemen, for instance.

    Nor am I against rescue missions. But to engage in a mini-mission to get just two is, in my appreciation of these things, a tactical and political win, but a strategic loss.
    Maybe if we were to blow a few pirate vessels out of the water, they'd go back to working internet scams or something.
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Maybe if we were to blow a few pirate vessels out of the water, they'd go back to working internet scams or something.
    I don't think Somalia was ever much of a center for that, as Nigeria has been.

    Somalia is just such a mess. Hostage taking will continue, if for no other reason than do-gooders such as these two who were rescued will continue to put themselves out there as targets. I am in the group that does not see the risk of our SEALS as being worth such as this.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I don't think Somalia was ever much of a center for that, as Nigeria has been.

    Somalia is just such a mess. Hostage taking will continue, if for no other reason than do-gooders such as these two who were rescued will continue to put themselves out there as targets. I am in the group that does not see the risk of our SEALS as being worth such as this.
    I have to agree that it would be best if people didn't go there unless it was really necessary.
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    These stories always make me wonder what woulda happened if I re-enlisted for a ranger bat instead of going to school.

    I don't think many things are more awesome that I, but SEALS are. Much respect.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

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    I understand what her intentions were, and they are noble ones. I would also suggest that she could have done just as much good work here INSIDE the United States as she could have over there, though in different avenues. Nothing comes before Ideology. Nothing.
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    These stories always make me wonder what woulda happened if I re-enlisted for a ranger bat instead of going to school.

    I don't think many things are more awesome that I, but SEALS are. Much respect.
    DEVGRU (formally known as SEAL Team 6) is good, no question. People don't understand that DEVGRU is the best of the SEALs. But the rest of them? Some are good, some not so much. I won't name teams or anything but I worked with one in Iraq and they didn't impress me too much. US Army Special Forces on the other hand, those guys are the real deal.
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