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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then most of the world, including many Middle East and African countries, are screwed, too, because they have "worked with" the United States. Pretty gives them justification for raping anyone they want.

    ME defending Georgy Porgy & Co?!?!?!?!? That's deserves a five-star satule!
    I realize you're new here, but bro you gotta learn to recognize sarcasm.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I realize you're new here, but bro you gotta learn to recognize sarcasm.
    I must have missed it too. Was cpwill effing with us? Hard to read in the post.
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then most of the world, including many Middle East and African countries, are screwed, too, because they have "worked with" the United States. Pretty gives them justification for raping anyone they want.

    ME defending Georgy Porgy & Co?!?!?!?!? That's deserves a five-star satule!
    Wow, I thought you were doing the double agent thing and countering his sarcasm with your own. I now realize that you have no clue that he has been messing with you the whole time. Can we get a moderator here to ban this guy for lack of sarcasm meter? That's a legit ban right?
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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There don't seem to be too many posts praising the President's outstanding leadership in ordering this action. Well done to the Navy Seals indeed! But congrats to President Obama too. After the Black Hawk Down incident the decision had to take cojones.
    Yeah, that was great planning. Them being over there fit right in with his State of the Union message so he could put in a plug about his "awesome" leadership. With that said, who exactly were these 2 people that they warranted a rescue by Navy Seals? Does America owe Denmark something? I know I could go over there, get captured, and be one of the forgotten Americans. I wouldn't even get a seeing eye dog to come to my rescue. I think both these people had to have links to the CIA and had information that the USA could use, hence the rescue.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I must have missed it too. Was cpwill effing with us? Hard to read in the post.
    lol...yes, yes he was. For about three straight posts.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    lol...yes, yes he was. For about three straight posts.
    Yep - he got me!
    I should have guessed after that last post, though. Okinawa + reduce defence: non sequitur!

    Thanks to all for noting I'm new. I'll catch on in time.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Yeah, that was great planning. Them being over there fit right in with his State of the Union message so he could put in a plug about his "awesome" leadership. With that said, who exactly were these 2 people that they warranted a rescue by Navy Seals? Does America owe Denmark something? I know I could go over there, get captured, and be one of the forgotten Americans. I wouldn't even get a seeing eye dog to come to my rescue. I think both these people had to have links to the CIA and had information that the USA could use, hence the rescue.
    I don't even give them that much credit. These were just two folks who were easy to snatch. It was a poltical stunt first and foremost. We rescued two, while making things infinitely more difficult for other current and future hostages in Somalia. The Somali's will surely improve their own security with other hostages, to include harsher treatment, moving them around more, and being better prepared to kill them.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I don't even give them that much credit. These were just two folks who were easy to snatch. It was a poltical stunt first and foremost. We rescued two, while making things infinitely more difficult for other current and future hostages in Somalia. The Somali's will surely improve their own security with other hostages, to include harsher treatment, moving them around more, and being better prepared to kill them.
    You've said this multiple times, but I don't really understand how you came to this conclusion.

    Perhaps pirates think twice in the future before they decide to take American hostages in the first place given what's happened here and with Captain Richard Phillips a few years back.

    Improved security? Perhaps. Harsher treatment and being better prepared to kill them? I don't necessarily think that's the case. At the end of the day these guys want money - treating your bargaining chips like garbage isn't necessarily the best way to achieve that end.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You've said this multiple times, but I don't really understand how you came to this conclusion.

    Perhaps pirates think twice in the future before they decide to take American hostages in the first place given what's happened here and with Captain Richard Phillips a few years back.

    Improved security? Perhaps. Harsher treatment and being better prepared to kill them? I don't necessarily think that's the case. At the end of the day these guys want money - treating your bargaining chips like garbage isn't necessarily the best way to achieve that end.
    I am going first by historical precedent. The Son Tay raid as an example. Among other sources, John McCain describes in his book how treatment for them became harsher after that failed raid.

    The fact is that the Somalis will make changes so as to reduce the likelihood of a mission such as this succeeding again. That means things get worse for the hostages. This is not analogous to what happened with Richards, where we essentially prevented the pirates from securing the hostages.

    Its a consideration that I have not seen others raise. It was the first thing that came to my mind, in part because I was Special Ops for a good part of my term. A mission to get just two seems not worth the downside, IMMHO.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I am going first by historical precedent. The Son Tay raid as an example. Among other sources, John McCain describes in his book how treatment for them became harsher after that failed raid.

    The fact is that the Somalis will make changes so as to reduce the likelihood of a mission such as this succeeding again. That means things get worse for the hostages. This is not analogous to what happened with Richards, where we essentially prevented the pirates from securing the hostages.

    Its a consideration that I have not seen others raise. It was the first thing that came to my mind, in part because I was Special Ops for a good part of my term. A mission to get just two seems not worth the downside, IMMHO.
    i think you're giving Somali pirates way too much credit.
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