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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no. they are only defending themselves. If George Bush hadn't lied us into war, Somali Pirates would be peaceful and lay down their arms. If we were to withdraw from the Middle East, they would all get along.
    And what did the South Africans do to them? Don't remember hearing about any South African troops in the Middle East.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no. they are only defending themselves. If George Bush hadn't lied us into war, Somali Pirates would be peaceful and lay down their arms. If we were to withdraw from the Middle East, they would all get along.
    Somali pirates don't see themselves as the bad guys. A pirate interviewed by the New York Times said: "We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits those who illegally fish in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas. We are simply patrolling our seas. Think of us like a coast guard." The article continues -- "Somalia's central government imploded in 1991, casting the country into chaos. With no patrols along the shoreline, Somalia's tuna-rich waters were soon plundered by commercial fishing fleets from around the world. Somali fishermen armed themselves and turned into vigilantes by confronting illegal fishing boats and demanding that they pay a tax".

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And what did the South Africans do to them? Don't remember hearing about any South African troops in the Middle East.
    South Africa has worked with the United States, and has a distinctly evil history of racism. Your defense of George Bush makes you racist and only provides further evidence that we can dramatically slash the Defense Budget with no negative consequences.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Nice work by the Seals. There is no doubt in my mind that the two aid workers who were rescued knew the risks involved before they undertook their assignment. Whilst they will be obviously very grateful for their freedom they would not have believed it to be their "right" or expected the US to automatically come to their rescue.
    Okay, I'm breaking character. That is utterly incorrect - if you are a US citizen it doesn't matter where you are. the US Government is your servant and works for you, not the other way around. That's important. We sort of fought a war over it, back in the late 18th Century.

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    Some people's sarcasm detectors are seriously broken

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Okay, I'm breaking character. That is utterly incorrect - if you are a US citizen it doesn't matter where you are. the US Government is your servant and works for you, not the other way around. That's important. We sort of fought a war over it, back in the late 18th Century.
    Wait...this is YOU breaking character? While the woman's actions were noble indeed, she knew the risks. Somalia is a lawless failed state, and if a Westerner ever sets foot there there's more than a good chance that **** will go down.

    Now I'm not saying that the SEALs should have left her ass with those pirates, but you have no more of a right to expect a rescue from a dangerous situation that partially resulted from your questionable decisions than you have the right to receive a welfare check from the gov't.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    There don't seem to be too many posts praising the President's outstanding leadership in ordering this action. Well done to the Navy Seals indeed! But congrats to President Obama too. After the Black Hawk Down incident the decision had to take cojones.
    Because it was an exceedingly stupid action for us to undertake. While I praise the SEALS for mission accomplished, missions do not get more politically narcistic. We freed two people. In return, all remaining hostages will now have it much worse, will be closer to facing execution, etc. Whenever we have attempted such rescues, the aftermath made it far worse for those that remained. See the Son Tay raid as an example. Our POW's in N. Vietnam were treated far worse after that.

    I am not against rescues, but to conduct one to release two is a terrible trade-off. This was just more stupid Obama.

    The place to put the pressure on is the pirates at sea. We can drop drone bombs on suspected Talibam in Pakistan, cause all kinds of extra damage, and its all OK. But God forbid we get rough with the pirates before they actually have hostages.

    Obama. What a grandstanding dumbass.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Wait...this is YOU breaking character? While the woman's actions were noble indeed, she knew the risks. Somalia is a lawless failed state, and if a Westerner ever sets foot there there's more than a good chance that **** will go down.

    Now I'm not saying that the SEALs should have left her ass with those pirates, but you have no more of a right to expect a rescue from a dangerous situation that partially resulted from your questionable decisions than you have the right to receive a welfare check from the gov't.
    Couldn't agree more. I also don't understand why this particular woman was targeted and not others. Christian missionaries are murdered and kidnapped everyday in places like that. Don't see any daring rescues for them. I don't fault the SEALs for that, they are just executing orders. They're a tool, not a decision maker. Anyway, I don't understand why these aid workers and volunteers don't stay here and volunteer in the US. I guess it isn't sexy enough. Can't really claim to be a "crusader for the downtrodden" if you are only going up the road to the local soup kitchen. Not cool enough to serve Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Couldn't agree more. I also don't understand why this particular woman was targeted and not others. Christian missionaries are murdered and kidnapped everyday in places like that. Don't see any daring rescues for them. I don't fault the SEALs for that, they are just executing orders. They're a tool, not a decision maker. Anyway, I don't understand why these aid workers and volunteers don't stay here and volunteer in the US. I guess it isn't sexy enough. Can't really claim to be a "crusader for the downtrodden" if you are only going up the road to the local soup kitchen. Not cool enough to serve Americans.
    I can understand that to a degree. Even the poorest of the poorest in America are probably well-off compared to people in Somalia, who are experiencing chronic poverty, sometimes starvation, and getting their limbs blown off by landmines.

    But you can't really expect to make a real difference in a place like that if you don't have at least some friggin' backup. Preferably with guns.

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    Re: NAVY SEALS night-time raid

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    South Africa has worked with the United States, and has a distinctly evil history of racism.
    Then most of the world, including many Middle East and African countries, are screwed, too, because they have "worked with" the United States. Pretty gives them justification for raping anyone they want.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Your defense of George Bush makes you racist and only provides further evidence that we can dramatically slash the Defense Budget with no negative consequences.
    ME defending Georgy Porgy & Co?!?!?!?!? That's deserves a five-star satule!

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