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sangha said:
BTW, I support higher tax rates on the rich, and I happen to be rich. Your claim is nothing but self-serving fiction
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Fortunately for you, as has been incessantly pointed out by my friends on the left, anybody can be anything on an anonymous debate forum.
 
ARealConservative said:
dividends are derived from corporate profit. a corporation has to declare a profit in order to pay dividends. it seems you are arguing something I am not even saying

so because they declare profit, they pay a tax on that profit

then the dividend is sent, and the individual pays a tax.

that is a double tax.
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You have two different legal entities in your example. Each pays tax once on his obligations and income. There is no person paying double taxation.
 
haymarket said:
You WILL NOT be allowed to slink away into your hidey hole and attempt to attack me in the hopes I forget your boast. Aint gonna work this time dude.

So again, are you lying about this so called definition of liberalism or can you quote the authoritative text you got it from?



You lied about that being a definition. That is something you simply puled out of your own belief system.......... or worse.
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He’s floundering and searching for a way to worm random numbers into his next post.:mrgreen:
 
haymarket said:
You have two different legal entities in your example. Each pays tax once on his obligations and income. There is no person paying double taxation.
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nobody claimed a person is directly paying the double tax.

the profit is taxed twice, which is a net drain on the economy.
 
sangha said:
Yes, some deductions are loopholes and others are not. You are entitled to hold your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts

And the "free market" is just another rightwing fiction. It doesn't exist, and it never has
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To quote a poster here who put it so eloquently:

sangha said:
You are entitled to hold your own opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts
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Thank your for being so hypocritical.
 
Dickieboy said:
Fortunately for you, as has been incessantly pointed out by my friends on the left, anybody can be anything on an anonymous debate forum.
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It sounds like you're talking about your ability to divine the intentions of everyone who supports higher taxes for the rich
 
Conservative said:
You need to grow some thicker skin, you can attack everyone else here and yet you don't seem to understand that when I confuse you with facts, logic, and common sense those aren't attacks.

You can continue to call me a liar until hell freezes over but that will never change the fact that your ideology is a failure probably just like you were a failure in the private sector. you are part of the problem and not part of the solution, never will be as long as you promote higher federal taxes and delegation of personal responsibility to a federal bureaucrat. That is liberalism, spending in the NAME of compassion yet never getting compassionate results meaning solving a problem.
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I see - more attacks against me in the hopes your constant and continual errors will be overlooked in the mad desire to attack back. Sorry - not working.

So where is the authoritative 'source' for this 'definition' you pulled from somewhere?


Liberalism is defined by the concept of spending IN THE NAME OF COMPASSION but never getting compassionate results which mean solving an actual social problem.
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You lied. This is no DEFINITION. You made it up..... and in other breaking news - the sun sets in the west tonight.
 
ARealConservative said:
nobody claimed a person is directly paying the double tax.

the profit is taxed twice, which is a net drain on the economy.
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We must keep hammering this home with Haymarket. One of the few times I've seen him play the semantics game.
 
treedancer said:
He’s floundering and searching for a way to worm random numbers into his next post.:mrgreen:
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I don't understand why anyone pays attention to posters who have repeatedly been proven to post the same dishonest fictions over and over again (unless its the one who is so much fun to watch squirm)
 
ARealConservative said:
nobody claimed a person is directly paying the double tax.

the profit is taxed twice, which is a net drain on the economy.
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You do realize that money is taxed multiple times over and over and over and over again potentially each time it changes owners?

That seems perfectly okay until you get to capital gains. What is so sacred about them to you that you make an exception for them?
 
Dickieboy said:
To quote a poster here who put it so eloquently:



Thank your for being so hypocritical.
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No, the word "loopholes" when applied to taxation has a definite meaning. Not every deduction has the qualities that make them "loopholes"

Thanks for being so obtuse
 
sangha said:
Wrong again

Some rightwingers have definitely claimed that a person is paying taxes twice. Pay attention
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in this thread that is not the argument I was defending.
 
sangha said:
It sounds like you're talking about your ability to divine the intentions of everyone who supports higher taxes for the rich
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HUH? I have no idea what other's intentions are unless they voiced them personally.
 
haymarket said:
I see - more attacks against me in the hopes your constant and continual errors will be overlooked in the mad desire to attack back. Sorry - not working.

So where is the authoritative 'source' for this 'definition' you pulled from somewhere?



You lied. This is no DEFINITION. You made it up..... and in other breaking news - the sun sets in the west tonight.
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You almost make me want to move to Michigan so I can work hard to defeat the politician that you work for. You are getting paid to delegate your responsibilities to a Federal Bureaucrat instead of doing your job and helping solve local problems.
 
haymarket said:
You do realize that money is taxed multiple times over and over and over and over again potentially each time it changes owners?

That seems perfectly okay until you get to capital gains. What is so sacred about them to you that you make an exception for them?
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Actually, money is not taxed. Transactions are taxed
 
haymarket said:
You do realize that money is taxed multiple times over and over and over and over again potentially each time it changes owners?

That seems perfectly okay until you get to capital gains. What is so sacred about them to you that you make an exception for them?
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Yes, I know that progressives continue to find new ways to fund their utopia, and the utopia keeps getting further and further away with each foolish intervention.

I actually don't have a problem taxing capital gains, but we can do it one time and set the rate as it needs. I have a major problem taxing labor though.
 
sangha said:
This thread isn't about you and the arguments you are making
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what are you blabbering about. This thread isn't about a person being double taxed, so it is your nonsense that doesn't belong in this thread.
 
sangha said:
No, the word "loopholes" when applied to taxation has a definite meaning. Not every deduction has the qualities that make them "loopholes"
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Just for my edification can you define specifically ‘loophole’ and ‘deduction’ as it regards to taxation.

Thanks for being so obtuse
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You're welcome...:mrgreen:
 
Dickieboy said:
HUH? I have no idea what other's intentions are unless they voiced them personally.
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Then why did you claim that people who supported raising taxes on the rich were being selfish?

Dickieboy said:
You are profoundly correct with this statement. Those espousing ‘fair’ and ‘tax the rich’ are equally placing the ultimately priority on THEIR personal gain over anything else.

Thank you for that.
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