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State of the Union Address

Conservative said:
Don't disagree with you on your statement. The problem is that we have a debt today that is 100% of GDP and requests for more spending. Obama has made things worse, had his chance and now needs to be replaced. If the Republican delivers similar results he too will be replaced in 2016 and I would support it provided the alternative is better.
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So meanwhile...they both keep doing the same things over and over while we suffer from their incompetence...right?

We can't afford anymore incompetent Presidents and Congress...and Supreme Court members.

The laws that put them above the law...to be bought, to use their power to work in their own interest rather than ours...HAVE TO CHANGE NOW.

No more phony reforms. Single issue legislation only.

Stop blaming crooks who we've legally allowed to be crooks. We're the problem, we have to change our way of thinking and dealing with our elected officials.
 
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Removable Mind said:
So meanwhile...they both keep doing the same things over and over while we suffer from their incompetence...right?

We can't afford anymore incompetent Presidents and Congress...and Supreme Court members.

The laws that put them above the law...to be bought, to use their power to work in their own interest rather than ours...HAVE TO CHANGE NOW.

No more phony reforms. Single issue legislation only.

Stop blaming crooks who we've legally allowed to be crooks. We're the problem, we have to change our way of thinking and dealing with our elected officials.
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So who is your viable alternative?
 
Conservative said:
So who is your viable alternative?
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It's not WHO...

Our political/banking/market/insurance systems are broke. First...remove outside money from political influence. Finance Reform, beginning with Repeal the Gramm, Bliley, Leach Act of 1999 and the Commodities and Futures Modernization Act of 2000.

Gezzzz, have to run, but I can name many laws that need to be addressed TODAY...that will end political corruption and abuse.

We'll yack later...C
 
Conservative said:
Obama has made things worse, had his chance and now needs to be replaced.
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Obama, while he needs to be replaced for other reasons, DOES NOT control the economy. Congress controls the spending and congress is the problem. The problem is people like you will continue to vote in the SAME people that are causeing the problem while giving the excuse that "their guy" isn't causing the problem.

You hold the president in a "god-like" status without even realizing how things work. And you call other people ignorant, sheesh.

Until people start caring about who they send to congress, even a quarter as much as they care about the presidency, nothing is going to change with a new president.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Obama, while he needs to be replaced for other reasons, DOES NOT control the economy. Congress controls the spending and congress is the problem. The problem is people like you will continue to vote in the SAME people that are causeing the problem while giving the excuse that "their guy" isn't causing the problem.

You hold the president in a "god-like" status without even realizing how things work. And you call other people ignorant, sheesh.

Until people start caring about who they send to congress, even a quarter as much as they care about the presidency, nothing is going to change with a new president.
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Don't you ever get tired of projecting inaccurate information? You don't know me but that doesn't stop you from telling me who I voted for yet ignore the reasons i voted for the individual i did vote for. You better worry about who you elect to Congress because I have no imput on your Representative. I do have a choice in President and based upon the alternatives I chose wisely and you haven't refuted that
 
Conservative said:
Don't you ever get tired of projecting inaccurate information? You don't know me but that doesn't stop you from telling me who I voted for yet ignore the reasons i voted for the individual i did vote for. You better worry about who you elect to Congress because I have no imput on your Representative. I do have a choice in President and based upon the alternatives I chose wisely and you haven't refuted that
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Are you saying that you never vote for republicans?

And wrt to how you view the presidency, it's obvious that you think the president is solely responsible for the economy. You have hundreds of posts that make that argument
 
haymarket said:
Quite frankly - I am sick and tired of being sick and tired of you making statements about what others believe or have said and they you come up completely impotent to show where they said what you claim they did. And you just did it twice more.

So I ask you again Could you quote the persons who maintain what you allege they maintain - that sales taxes and FICA are suppose to be progressive?. Not your perversion of what you think they believe. Not your twists and turns turning their ideas into something else. Not your skewed interpretation of what you think they might support or mean. A simple quote will do.
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Its amazing the inability to make easy inferences. If someone spews garbage that the entire tax system is not progressive enough and they use non progressive taxes in that evaluation its pretty obvious what they are saying

and do you deny that there are those (such as you) that want all income subject to FICA?
 
TheNextEra said:
Obama, while he needs to be replaced for other reasons, DOES NOT control the economy. Congress controls the spending and congress is the problem. The problem is people like you will continue to vote in the SAME people that are causeing the problem while giving the excuse that "their guy" isn't causing the problem.

You hold the president in a "god-like" status without even realizing how things work. And you call other people ignorant, sheesh.

Until people start caring about who they send to congress, even a quarter as much as they care about the presidency, nothing is going to change with a new president.
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There is alot in this that I agree with but think about it. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would consider running in the current (last 20 yrs) political climate. It has become a vicious environment that drags in every aspect of one's life, pure nasty. Then when someone legitimate comes along the 'establishment' (either side) kicks the to the side, ergo Buddy Rohmer (maybe).
 
Conservative said:
I do have a choice in President and based upon the alternatives I chose wisely and you haven't refuted that
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Yep you voted for Bush who DOUBLED the debt, increased the size of governmnet, and increased government spending. In other words, you chose poorly. Not only that you chose poorly TWICE. You have no credibiility in your statements.
 
Dickieboy said:
There is alot in this that I agree with but think about it. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND would consider running in the current (last 20 yrs) political climate. It has become a vicious environment that drags in every aspect of one's life, pure nasty. Then when someone legitimate comes along the 'establishment' (either side) kicks the to the side, ergo Buddy Rohmer (maybe).
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I will agree the best people rarely get to the finishline. Our system has some problems. Money is a major problem. And so is our expectation of leaders. They don't control the economy. But I think we're on the same page here.
 
Conservative said:
What seems to be total ignorance and distortion is the statement that I said that 47% of the people pay no taxes when the reality is I accurately stated that 47% of the income earning households pay NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. You seem to like far too many, brainwashed into the liberal belief that all money goes into one pot and that specific taxes for specific purposes is irrelevant. The unified budget process has been sold to people like you.

Every tax you listed is a use tax. Please learn what FIT funds and then ask yourself why any income earning family doesn't pay something in FIT. Stop reading what you want to believe and look at what was actually posted. Complete distortion is the act of a desparate liberal.
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the bottom line is that the people obamatard attacks as not paying "their fair share" pay far more combined taxes than the middle class and get no additional benefits for that massive amount of payments
 
Removable Mind said:
PLEASE NOTE...I stated the following: NOBODY IN AMERICA ESCAPES PAYING TAXES OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER That was followed by a list of very 170 ways the government gets into our pockets, and applies to the poor to the rich.

But you love making your arguments all about mostly "poor" people who you say live off the system don't pay their fair share of...LETS SAY "FEDERAL INCOME TAX".

All Americans...everybody is taxed in one way or another...period.

If they weren't paying, your government would be out of street corners begging for money.
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but when half the country don't pay the most politically relevant tax and have the ability to raise it on others, we have a major problem

when Obamatard starts talking about raising hunting license fees or the state sales tax in say Ohio, then maybe your ranting will have some relevance. the income tax is about the only one that is really useful for buying votes by telling the many that only the rates on the few will go up
 
Removable Mind said:
So meanwhile...they both keep doing the same things over and over while we suffer from their incompetence...right?

We can't afford anymore incompetent Presidents and Congress...and Supreme Court members.

The laws that put them above the law...to be bought, to use their power to work in their own interest rather than ours...HAVE TO CHANGE NOW.

No more phony reforms. Single issue legislation only.

Stop blaming crooks who we've legally allowed to be crooks. We're the problem, we have to change our way of thinking and dealing with our elected officials.
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Bush's supreme court picks certainly are more competent than the two clinton picks and Quotamayor. Those three idiots claimed that the second amendment did not recognize an individual right
 
TurtleDude said:
the bottom line is that the people obamatard attacks as not paying "their fair share" pay far more combined taxes than the middle class and get no additional benefits for that massive amount of payments
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They get plenty of benefits all the same. Not sure they need additional benefits. but, we're not talking about any major increase here, and what obama says is next to nothing to what those who demonize workers have said.

The point is, we need both cuts in spending and increase in revenue. That would be least painful at the top than at the bottom. When they need heavy lifting at my house, they call me. Why? Becasuse I can do it easier than the 5 year old grandchild can. I have no problem with that, just as I have no problem paying more than those who make less.
 
TurtleDude said:
but when half the country don't pay the most politically relevant tax and have the ability to raise it on others, we have a major problem

when Obamatard starts talking about raising hunting license fees or the state sales tax in say Ohio, then maybe your ranting will have some relevance. the income tax is about the only one that is really useful for buying votes by telling the many that only the rates on the few will go up
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There is no such thing as "the most politically relevant tax" except in the minds of wingnuts
 
Boo Radley said:
They get plenty of benefits all the same. Not sure they need additional benefits. but, we're not talking about any major increase here, and what obama says is next to nothing to what those who demonize workers have said.

The point is, we need both cuts in spending and increase in revenue. That would be least painful at the top than at the bottom. When they need heavy lifting at my house, they call me. Why? Becasuse I can do it easier than the 5 year old grandchild can. I have no problem with that, just as I have no problem paying more than those who make less.
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I sure don't get any extra benefits. And its blatantly dishonest to claim the top one percent are not paying their fair share.
 
sangha said:
There is no such thing as "the most politically relevant tax" except in the minds of wingnuts
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I really couldn't care what an extremist thinks. The fact is, the income tax is the tax most useful to politicians to divide and conquer and to buy the votes of the public
 
TurtleDude said:
I sure don't get any extra benefits. And its blatantly dishonest to claim the top one percent are not paying their fair share.
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Is it? Not so sure that is true. But, again, we're nto talking abut any serious increase. Those making that type of money won't likely notice it, and they do benefit a lot from government. it's just hard to feel sorry for those with so much benefit from government whining, while demoning working folk, such as we've seen here on the forum and on Fox.

The point is, the wealthy have paid more, and been fine. And no one is asking they go back to highest rates, just to where they were before the most recent cuts, a time when they were doing just fine. So, stop pretending something drastic is being asked of them.
 
sangha said:
We don't care what you think either



Your grasp of the facts is laughable
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we being you and what sockpuppet?

your grasp of reality is non-existent

tell me what other tax is constantly used to buy votes by politicians?
 
Boo Radley said:
Is it? Not so sure that is true. But, again, we're nto talking abut any serious increase. Those making that type of money won't likely notice it, and they do benefit a lot from government. it's just hard to feel sorry for those with so much benefit from government whining, while demoning working folk, such as we've seen here on the forum and on Fox.

The point is, the wealthy have paid more, and been fine. And no one is asking they go back to highest rates, just to where they were before the most recent cuts, a time when they were doing just fine. So, stop pretending something drastic is being asked of them.
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If someone lives off of investments Obama wants to double (at least) their taxes if they are making a million a year.

are you of the opinion that someone who has a million in income and spends at a level consistent with other people is not going to be hurt if their federal income taxes go from 150K to 300K (and of course they are also paying massive state income taxes and property taxes most likely as well)
 
TheNextEra said:
Yep you voted for Bush who DOUBLED the debt, increased the size of governmnet, and increased government spending. In other words, you chose poorly. Not only that you chose poorly TWICE. You have no credibiility in your statements.
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Bush didn't double the debt in 2004, Bush didn't increase the size of the govt. in his first term, Bush increased govt. spending but what President didn't. You can be blinded by ignorance but that doesn't change reality.
 
Conservative said:
Bush didn't double the debt in 2004, Bush didn't increase the size of the govt. in his first term, Bush increased govt. spending but what President didn't. You can be blinded by ignorance but that doesn't change reality.
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do you find it amusing that the people who spend the most time whining about the Bush spending are the ones most enamored with the biggest spending president in history?
 
TurtleDude said:
If someone lives off of investments Obama wants to double (at least) their taxes if they are making a million a year.

are you of the opinion that someone who has a million in income and spends at a level consistent with other people is not going to be hurt if their federal income taxes go from 150K to 300K (and of course they are also paying massive state income taxes and property taxes most likely as well)
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They should drop to their knees and give proper thanks in the time honored fashion of thousands of years for their good fortune to have it as good for as long as they have had it. They enjoyed those discriminatory and preferential rates while their fellow Americans were paying rates 60% higher for the same income from wages and salary.

The gravy train is coming to an end for them and the train of tax justice is replacing it. Get used to it.
 
TurtleDude said:
do you find it amusing that the people who spend the most time whining about the Bush spending are the ones most enamored with the biggest spending president in history?
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I think he is just trying to point out the anti spending hypocrisies of the right.
 
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