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State of the Union Address

Connery said:
This does not speak top my position which is as follows:
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I was asked to show where the Democrats offered spending cuts for tax increases and showed you when that happened. We got the tax increases but never the spending cuts. Until the govt. actually cuts spending I have no interest in you or anyone else paying higher taxes.
 
haymarket said:
When you pretend to reply to something you reproduce, do you even make a halfway attempt at speaking to it... it least as a lame pretense?

I told you that Republicans were determined to defeat him BEFORE he ever took office. You said that was just my opinion. You were just proven wrong AGAIN with the Limbaugh column which came before Inauguration day 2009.
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Oh, I see, that is something new and of course Democrats never do that? Limbaugh was talking about Obama policies and Limbaugh has proven to be a prophet
 
Boo Radley said:
Which has nothing to do with what Gore said.
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But it has everything to do with what I said and what is going on. SS and Medicare have no business on budget and being spent on items other than SS and Medicare. LBJ put it there to pay for the Vietnam War and every Congress and Administration since has used it as a slush fund. Now it has trillions in unfunded liabilities and like all liberals you kick the can down the road never addressing the real problems.
 
Conservative said:
I was asked to show where the Democrats offered spending cuts for tax increases and showed you when that happened. We got the tax increases but never the spending cuts. Until the govt. actually cuts spending I have no interest in you or anyone else paying higher taxes.
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I did not ask you that.... You asked me how those proposed measures would result in smaller government and spending. I cited the unemployed as one possible beneficiary of those measures cited by the State of the Union Address.

Thereafter, you wanted to paint a picture regarding the republicans from years ago...:shrug:
 
Conservative said:
Interesting that your opinion of the data then is fact whereas my opinion of the data is fiction.
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No, BOTH our OPINIONS of the Data are just that, OPINIONS. It is amusing that you hold the presidency in a "god-like" status when you try to blame Obama for EVERYTHING. That simply is not reality of the position of the presidency. Bush was a poor leader and Obama is a poor leader. The difference? I'm not voting for Obama and you voted for Bush twice.

You love bad leadership. I will vote against it.
 
Conservative said:
But it has everything to do with what I said and what is going on. SS and Medicare have no business on budget and being spent on items other than SS and Medicare. LBJ put it there to pay for the Vietnam War and every Congress and Administration since has used it as a slush fund. Now it has trillions in unfunded liabilities and like all liberals you kick the can down the road never addressing the real problems.
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That is odd you never bitched and moaned about bush's medicare part D being unfunded.

Anyhows what do you propose. Should the law be changed were SS doesn't have to invest overages in collections vs payouts?

let's see which way the wind blows now LOL
 
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Connery said:
I did not ask you that.... You asked me how those proposed measures would result in smaller government and spending. I cited the unemployed as one possible beneficiary of those measures cited by the State of the Union Address.

Thereafter, you wanted to paint a picture regarding the republicans from years ago...:shrug:
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Then what exactly where you asking when you posted the following as it was related to the claims of spending cuts for tax increases. Apparently you don't even remember what you are posting.

Even if you were informed of such ( I see no supporting documentation) that does not make it true.

Your statement was fallacious and fueled by emotion. Unless you can provide documentation.
Again please supply a source.
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TheNextEra said:
No, BOTH our OPINIONS of the Data are just that, OPINIONS. It is amusing that you hold the presidency in a "god-like" status when you try to blame Obama for EVERYTHING. That simply is not reality of the position of the presidency. Bush was a poor leader and Obama is a poor leader. The difference? I'm not voting for Obama and you voted for Bush twice
You love bad leadership. I will vote against it.
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I hold the President and any elected official responsible for results just like I was held accountable for results after taking a management position. I voted for Bush because the alternative was Gore. Bush did a great job as Governor of TX and deserved the job. He inherited a recession due to the dot.com bubble bursting and then had 9/11. His tax cuts were implemented fully in 2003 and the results afterwards were better than what he inherited and the alternative was Kerry so I chose wisely. Seems logic and common sense aren't your strong suit
 
Conservative said:
As are you if you don't like capitalism and free enterprise. This country wasn't built on the vision of Barack Obama or liberalism but yours is a typical response from a liberal who cannot accept being challenged. You constantly buy rhetoric about spending in the name of compassion yet never holding liberalism for their failure in generating compassionate results. Keep ignoring how much I give to charity and to my church. Apparently that isn't spending my money the way you or the bureaucrats want.
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Oh how you must despise history...this nation was not truly great until after WWII when the historic rise of middle class made it the envy of the world. It was built on the vison of fairness and equal opportunity for ALL. A vision outlined and pursued by FDR and his new Bill of Rights. The further we stray from his vision the more we return the the age of the Robber Baron's. A dark time when the average American got paid $2 a day or less and the maldistribution of wealth was just as bad as it is today. Sorry but your vision is of a run of the mill banana republic that abuses the majority for the benefit of the wealthy few. There is no shortage of countries like that, America is unique if you can't abide there is always the door.
Charity is tax deductable, stop the crowing about how nuch you give. Just think how much more you can give when the tax rates go back. The higher the rates the more your "charity" will make sense.
 
Conservative said:
I hold the President and any elected official responsible for results just like I was held accountable for results after taking a management position. I voted for Bush because the alternative was Gore. Bush did a great job as Governor of TX and deserved the job.
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Hmmm Clinton Gore had a pretty damn impressive record plus Gore had experience at the federal level.

Are you sure you vote on results not just letters?
 
iguanaman said:
Oh how you must despise history...this nation was not truly great until after WWII when the historic rise of middle class made it the envy of the world. It was built on the vison of fairness and equal opportunity for ALL. A vision outlined and pursued by FDR and his new Bill of Rights. The further we stray from his vision the more we return the the age of the Robber Baron's. A dark time when the average American got paid $2 a day or less and the maldistribution of wealth was just as bad as it is today. Sorry but your vision is of a run of the mill banana republic that abuses the majority for the benefit of the wealthy few. There is no shortage of countries like that, America is unique if you can't abide there is always the door.
Charity is tax deductable, stop the crowing about how nuch you give. Just think how much more you can give when the tax rates go back. The higher the rates the more your "charity" will make sense.
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Aw, wow, another expert on my personal finances as well as everyone else. Charity is tax deductible? Thanks for clearing that up so then tell me why we need higher taxes to fund programs that charities already do? Interesting how you don't seem to have a clue about taxable income. You think that individuals with less taxable income have the cash to pay more to charities. You really are either very young, very naive, or simply brainwashed. What a totally idiotic statement, tax rates go up and people give more to charity?
 
Conservative said:
I hold the President and any elected official responsible for results just like I was held accountable for results after taking a management position. I voted for Bush because the alternative was Gore. Bush did a great job as Governor of TX and deserved the job. He inherited a recession due to the dot.com bubble bursting and then had 9/11. His tax cuts were implemented fully in 2003 and the results afterwards were better than what he inherited and the alternative was Kerry so I chose wisely. Seems logic and common sense aren't your strong suit
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Bush inheirited a balanced budget and turned it into a record deficit. I love that you think his results were better than Clintons. You must agree with Dick "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" Cheney and Ronnie "Starve the beast" Reagan on spending. :2razz:
 
iguanaman said:
Bush inheirited a balanced budget and turned it into a record deficit. I love that you think his results were better than Clintons. You must agree with Dick "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" Cheney and Ronnie "Starve the beast" Reagan on spending. :2razz:
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Funny, the U.S. Treasury shows Bush inherited a 1.3 trillion dollar debt from Clinton, where is that budget surplus since the debt rose each and every year of Clinton's term? What is it about liberalism that creates loyalty like you apparently have whereas facts and data mean nothing to you but liberal rhetoric means everything?
 
Conservative said:
I hold the President and any elected official responsible for results just like I was held accountable for results after taking a management position. I voted for Bush because the alternative was Gore. Bush did a great job as Governor of TX and deserved the job. He inherited a recession due to the dot.com bubble bursting and then had 9/11. His tax cuts were implemented fully in 2003 and the results afterwards were better than what he inherited and the alternative was Kerry so I chose wisely. Seems logic and common sense aren't your strong suit
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It's funny that you make EXCUSES for Bush yet blame Obama right from the start. You don't hold anyone with an R in front of their name accountable for anything but you hold Obama because he has a D in front of his. Your ODS is in full swing. Keep it up, it's amusing if nothing else as well as your continued personal attacks. It's a sign you have lost.
 
Conservative said:
Funny, the U.S. Treasury shows Bush inherited a 1.3 trillion dollar debt from Clinton, where is that budget surplus since the debt rose each and every year of Clinton's term? What is it about liberalism that creates loyalty like you apparently have whereas facts and data mean nothing to you but liberal rhetoric means everything?
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and what was the debt AFTER Bush? Oh yeah, you don't care about that since you voted for bigger govt. and bigger govt. spending not once but twice with Bush.
 
TheNextEra said:
It's funny that you make EXCUSES for Bush yet blame Obama right from the start. You don't hold anyone with an R in front of their name accountable for anything but you hold Obama because he has a D in front of his. Your ODS is in full swing. Keep it up, it's amusing if nothing else as well as your continued personal attacks. It's a sign you have lost.
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You would have a lot more credibility if you didn't continue to show that you have Bush Derangement Syndrome as he has been out of office for three years. Making the same false statements over and over again will never make them true. Again, I'll bet I have voted for more Democrats than you have Republicans. The "R" After their name means nothing to me as I am a conservative and will always vote for the better alternative of the two parties. Results matter, not rhetoric. I will not vote for obama because of the results and alternative and voted for Bush because of the results as well as the alternative.
 
TheNextEra said:
and what was the debt AFTER Bush? Oh yeah, you don't care about that since you voted for bigger govt. and bigger govt. spending not once but twice with Bush.
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Bush took office with a 5.7 trillion dollar debt and left it at 10.6 trillion, it is 15. 2trillion today.
 
Conservative said:
You would have a lot more credibility if you didn't continue to show that you have Bush Derangement Syndrome as he has been out of office for three years. Making the same false statements over and over again will never make them true. Again, I'll bet I have voted for more Democrats than you have Republicans. The "R" After their name means nothing to me as I am a conservative and will always vote for the better alternative of the two parties. Results matter, not rhetoric. I will not vote for obama because of the results and alternative and voted for Bush because of the results as well as the alternative.
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So what was it in Bush's Governorship you supported to vote for him as President in 2000?

Was it perhaps his renewable energy policy where by law electric utilities were obliged to purchase renewable generated kilowats.
 
Conservative said:
You would have a lot more credibility if you didn't continue to show that you have Bush Derangement Syndrome as he has been out of office for three years. Making the same false statements over and over again will never make them true. Again, I'll bet I have voted for more Democrats than you have Republicans. The "R" After their name means nothing to me as I am a conservative and will always vote for the better alternative of the two parties. Results matter, not rhetoric. I will not vote for obama because of the results and alternative and voted for Bush because of the results as well as the alternative.
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If results mattered you wouldn't have voted for Bush twice. So you have NO credibility on that issue. He had his chance and in 2004 should have been voted out but YOU and others chose to ignore the results. Again, you have no credibiility and your Obama deranged syndrome is the worst I've seen someone have. You're dismissed.
 
Conservative said:
Bush took office with a 5.7 trillion dollar debt and left it at 10.6 trillion, it is 15. 2trillion today.
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If results mattered you wouldn't have voted for him in 2004. Alas, results only matter to you if there is a D in front of the name.
 
TheNextEra said:
If results mattered you wouldn't have voted for Bush twice. So you have NO credibility on that issue. He had his chance and in 2004 should have been voted out but YOU and others chose to ignore the results. Again, you have no credibiility and your Obama deranged syndrome is the worst I've seen someone have. You're dismissed.
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What results did Bush have in 2004 that would have caused me to vote for Kerry? You really need to think before you post. I have seen no evidence that you have any idea as to what the results were in 2003-2004
 
Conservative said:
Bush took office with a 5.7 trillion dollar debt and left it at 10.6 trillion, it is 15. 2trillion today.
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So what you are saying is that you want Obama to double the debt like Bush did and then you'd vote for Obama, correct?
 
Conservative said:
What results did Bush have in 2004 that would have caused me to vote for Kerry? You really need to think before you post. I have seen no evidence that you have any idea as to what the results were in 2003-2004
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Increased debt, bigger govt. rising unemployment, bogus war in Iraq. I love how you excuse how he doubled the debt.

Again, results don't matter to you with an R in front of their name.
 
winston53660 said:
So what you are saying is that you want Obama to double the debt like Bush did and then you'd vote for Obama, correct?
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Bush didn't double the debt between 2001-2004 and wasn't on the ballot in 2008
 
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