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State of the Union Address

winston53660 said:
So would you still have these funds invested in very secure special issue treasury securities or marketable treasury securities or.....?
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Where is the money going to come from to pay those obligations? Why won't you or any other big govt. liberal answer the question?
 
haymarket said:
Nice try at yet another in a long series of moving the goal posts.

I told you that Republicans were determined to defeat him BEFORE he ever took office. You said that was just my opinion. You were just proven wrong AGAIN with the Limbaugh column which came before Inauguration day 2009.
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Doesn't matter what the Republicans wanted because he got 52% of the vote. how much of that vote has now left him? Keep ignoring his results and buying his rhetoric.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, people escape paying taxes all the time by changing their buying habits and actions. Don't do most of what you posted and you don't pay those taxes. How many poor people that don't drive a car pay excise taxes on gasoline? Taxes for use is a good thing and use taxes such as Gasoline taxes should be used to fund their intent, highway and bridge construction and repair.
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It they don't drive...then why should they be burdened with highway and bridge construction?

You are putting me to sleep. Ever hear of "Cognitive Rigidity".
 
Conservative said:
Where is the money going to come from to pay those obligations? Why won't you or any other big govt. liberal answer the question?
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You have asked this question before. It has been answered before. Have you forgotten the previous answers? They are always the same.
 
Conservative said:
Doesn't matter what the Republicans wanted because he got 52% of the vote. how much of that vote has now left him? Keep ignoring his results and buying his rhetoric.
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When you pretend to reply to something you reproduce, do you even make a halfway attempt at speaking to it... it least as a lame pretense?

I told you that Republicans were determined to defeat him BEFORE he ever took office. You said that was just my opinion. You were just proven wrong AGAIN with the Limbaugh column which came before Inauguration day 2009.
 
Conservative said:
Limbaugh was right, Obama policies have failed
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Only the very most dishonest person would attribute the results that occurred before Obama implemented his policies as Obama's fault. Even your Conservative cohorts admit that as per the Republican response to the SOTU address. After the Obama measures were implemented, you're see the positive reactions from the stock market to unemployment from month to month.

Also, you're a outright hypocrite if you're going to condemn Obama but completely ignore that fact that the Conservative mantra of tax cutting and regulation smashing got America into this horrible position. Conservative plans have failed for quite sometime. When every Republican administration for the past few decades have increased the deficit (deficit, not just debt), they really need to change their tactics if they want to be taken seriously.
 
Conservative said:
Where is the money going to come from to pay those obligations? Why won't you or any other big govt. liberal answer the question?
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Where does the money come from to pay any Treasury security or government issued bond. Sheesh.... I think I would rather listen to a broken record of a pig singing.

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So would you still have these funds invested in very secure special issue treasury securities or marketable treasury securities or.....?
 
Connery said:
Even if you were informed of such ( I see no supporting documentation) that does not make it true.

Your statement was fallacious and fueled by emotion. Unless you can provide documentation.


Again please supply a source.
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http://atlanticsentinel.com/2011/11/why-republicans-wont-agree-to-raise-taxes/

In 1982, after enacting historic tax cuts with overwhelming congressional support, President Ronald Reagan agreed to raise business and excise taxes in exchange for $280 in spending reduction over six years. Taxes went up but so did spending—by $450 billion, $140 billion of which was allocated to defense. Revenue, however, increased by only $375 billion during the remainder of Reagan’s tenure.

A couple of years later, President George H.W. Bush struck a similar deal with Democrats. In violation of a campaign pledge not to raise taxes, the senior Bush accepted a “balanced” approach that included spending cuts and tax increases to mend the deficit. Except the spending cuts never materialized and Bush lost reelection in 1992 because the voters felt they’d been cheated.
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winston53660 said:
Where does the money come from to pay any Treasury security or government issued bond. Sheesh.... I think I would rather listen to a broken record of a pig singing.

now:

So would you still have these funds invested in very secure special issue treasury securities or marketable treasury securities or.....?
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It is either printed or borrowed, how does that affect the value of the dollar you hold?
 
Tettsuo said:
Only the very most dishonest person would attribute the results that occurred before Obama implemented his policies as Obama's fault. Even your Conservative cohorts admit that as per the Republican response to the SOTU address. After the Obama measures were implemented, you're see the positive reactions from the stock market to unemployment from month to month.

Also, you're a outright hypocrite if you're going to condemn Obama but completely ignore that fact that the Conservative mantra of tax cutting and regulation smashing got America into this horrible position. Conservative plans have failed for quite sometime. When every Republican administration for the past few decades have increased the deficit (deficit, not just debt), they really need to change their tactics if they want to be taken seriously.
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It has been three years since the Obama economic policies were implemented and the results are worse today than when he took office. That has nothing to do with what he inherited but more what he has done. I find it quite telling that you have a problem with people keeping more of their own money. You either work for the govt. or will be working for the govt.
 
haymarket said:
When you pretend to reply to something you reproduce, do you even make a halfway attempt at speaking to it... it least as a lame pretense?

I told you that Republicans were determined to defeat him BEFORE he ever took office. You said that was just my opinion. You were just proven wrong AGAIN with the Limbaugh column which came before Inauguration day 2009.
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As I posted and you ignored 52% of the people voted for him and he had a 70% approval rating. It was the results that changed both numbers, results that you want to ignore. You always blame someone else for a liberal's own failure.
 
Removable Mind said:
It they don't drive...then why should they be burdened with highway and bridge construction?

You are putting me to sleep. Ever hear of "Cognitive Rigidity".
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You listed them as taxes people pay which just like most of the taxes you listed are use taxes and have nothing to do with FIT

You probably should ask the University of TX to teach you basic logic, common sense, along with U.S. tax policy.
 
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Conservative said:
You probably should ask the University of TX to teach you basic logic, common sense, along with U.S. tax policy.
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I see your personal attacks are alive and well with you today.
 
Conservative said:
It is either printed or borrowed, how does that affect the value of the dollar you hold?
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Are you just going to keep on dodging this very direct query?

So would you still have these funds invested in very secure special issue treasury securities or marketable treasury securities or.....?
 
Conservative said:
I see that anytime someone provides with you actual data and fact it is considered a personal attack
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You don't know the difference between fact and opinion. What you do is state data and then state your OPINION on the reason of the data.
 
Conservative said:
As I posted and you ignored 52% of the people voted for him and he had a 70% approval rating. It was the results that changed both numbers, results that you want to ignore. You always blame someone else for a liberal's own failure.
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I'd like to repost my opinions about the TOPIC, which is the STATE OF THE UNION.

It's my opinion that you believe the US government works. Here's my opinion.

RM said:
The State of the Union speech was fruitless.

Our fellow friends, neighbors, family members will let our nation decay into a state of chaos before they’ll admit that they’ve been had by these Yahoos in Washington. Yep, sucked, scammed, conned into believing there is more than one America.

Which America do you live in? The Conservative America? The Liberal America? The Centralist America? Have you started hating each other enough yet?

Meanwhile…while you’ve been duped into hating each other…the assholes in Washington and their cronies are stealing all three Americas right out from under your noses.
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The difference between you and me...you still believe that there are conservative politicians and elected officials who care enough about the citizens to correct the corrupted, totally unfair tax codes. Hell, fix America as far as that goes.

You continue to buy into the conservative/liberal stuff all you want...but to the Washington Royalty, the owners of the castle. You are nothing but part of their live-support system.
 
Haven't read the thread, but I did listen to the SOU address several times.

I agree more with Obama's vision for America than any I've seen presented by those vying for election in 2012. This address virtually assured I will be voting for Obama unless the GOP manages to get someone trustworthy and reasonable to the forefront before November.

While I would like to see the government trimmed more than Obama envisions, his suggestion of rolling multiple agencies into a single agency is certainly a good start.

His suggested use of the monies no longer being spent on war to rebuild the US infrastructure, promote US made goods over foreign made goods by providing both tax and start-up subsidies for making products in America and paying down the deficit resonates with me. He also called for reducing corporate taxes to encourage businesses to return to the US - a move that is long overdue.

He also is the only one calling for the 'temporary' Bush tax cuts to actually go away. I believe the Reagan - Bush tax cuts are the reason we have the enormous deficit and doing away with them plus cutting spending is the only way we will get out of this mess. It seems no one on the right will even consider raising taxes on the wealthy.
 
Conservative said:
It is either printed or borrowed, how does that affect the value of the dollar you hold?
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I have some dollars in hand right now that were printed..... perhaps even borrowed.

Let me see how they spend. (goes into store)

(returns from store)

HOORAY!!!!!! They took 'em. No problem.
 
Conservative said:
As I posted and you ignored 52% of the people voted for him and he had a 70% approval rating. It was the results that changed both numbers, results that you want to ignore. You always blame someone else for a liberal's own failure.
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When you pretend to reply to something you reproduce, do you even make a halfway attempt at speaking to it... it least as a lame pretense?

I told you that Republicans were determined to defeat him BEFORE he ever took office. You said that was just my opinion. You were just proven wrong AGAIN with the Limbaugh column which came before Inauguration day 2009.
 
Conservative said:
http://atlanticsentinel.com/2011/11/why-republicans-wont-agree-to-raise-taxes/
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This does not speak top my position which is as follows:

Connery said:
In a nutshell, I like these:

"1. Removing tax deductions for shipping jobs overseas and providing new incentives for bringing them back home;

2. Targeting the domestic production incentive on manufacturers who create jobs here at home and doubling the deduction for advanced manufacturing;

3. Introducing a new Manufacturing Communities Tax Credit to encourage investments in communities affected by job loss;

4. Providing temporary tax credits to drive nearly $20 billion in domestic clean energy manufacturing;

5. Reauthorizing 100% expensing of investment in plants and equipment;

6. Closing a loophole that allows companies to shift profits overseas."
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Conservative said:
How do you know what the rich do with their money? Does charitable giving go up or down when taxes are cut? What a business does with their money is not your concern nor should it be. The problem you cannot seem to grasp is that it isn't the Federal Taxpayers responsibility to solve your state and local problems.
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We've had studies, and I've presented them to you before.

And don't go off topic if you can help it.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, they sure do, with their payroll taxes and those payroll taxes are supposed to go into the Al Gore "lock box" for use in the future. It is a future obligation that now has IOU's supporting it, all because of the unified budget
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You might want to go back and review the context of the lock boxed issue. Bush unlocked that box. Just thought you should know.
 
TheNextEra said:
You don't know the difference between fact and opinion. What you do is state data and then state your OPINION on the reason of the data.
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Interesting that your opinion of the data then is fact whereas my opinion of the data is fiction. The problem is the data is the data and we are into the fourth year of the Obama Administration and for some reason higher unemployment, lower employment, declining labor force, more discouraged workers, higher misery index, and 4.6 trillion added to the debt are positive results because according to a liberal things could have been worse. That isn't leadership and anyone who has ever been in a leadership position knows.
 
Boo Radley said:
You might want to go back and review the context of the lock boxed issue. Bush unlocked that box. Just thought you should know.
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No, LBJ opened the lockbox by putting SS on budget and making it part of a unified budget
 
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