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State of the Union Address

Boo Radley said:
Not part of income taxes. Part or taxes paid.
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Liberalism has done such a "great" job selling the unified budget that all taxes go into one big pot thus long term obligations like SS and Medicare are ignored. In addition state and local taxes are also ignored by big Federal govt. supporting liberals. Before you start talking about tax increases I suggest you find out what the taxes we pay now are supposed to fund and then apply those taxes to the right expense.
 
Conservative said:
Which representation and what is their role, local, state, Federal representation? Which one is best suited to solve local problems? Have you ever looked at the line items in the Federal Budget? You seem to believe Federal spending compassionate but local spending not so much. That is thinking with your heart not your brain.
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And yet you will elect Romney who will spend just like the rest and you elected Bush twice who DID spend just like all the rest. Again, spare us your feigned outrage on spending about spending. When your side does it, you re-elect them.
 
Conservative said:
It is insignificant and sends the wrong message in a private sector economy. How does raising taxes put 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans back to work
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Please try to understand, no is claiming raising taxes puts people to work. So, don't be silly. I am saying tax cuts don't put them to work either. Government does not control the economy. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Jobs will come when the cycle moves around again to where there is enough reason to believe people will buy that business sees reason to grow. The government cannot control that. It is a mistake in reasoning on your part to look to governemnt to fix this problem.
 
TheNextEra said:
No, that is not liberalism, that is the govt. You don't always get to have your money spent on what YOU want. Do you think I wanted MY money spent on nation building and the Iraq War? Spare me your faigned outrage.
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I do when I get to keep more of it, something you have a problem understanding. You don't seem to have a clue as to what your taxes are supposed to fund. Why don't you find out and get back to me then answer my question, what does a bureaucrat in D.C. know about a problem in your local community?

Your money should go to national defense per the Constitution. You don't like spending it on wars, neither do I but there is evil in the world that wants you dead. My family members served in Iraq, did you?
 
Conservative said:
Liberalism has done such a "great" job selling the unified budget that all taxes go into one big pot thus long term obligations like SS and Medicare are ignored. In addition state and local taxes are also ignored by big Federal govt. supporting liberals. Before you start talking about tax increases I suggest you find out what the taxes we pay now are supposed to fund and then apply those taxes to the right expense.
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Not sure what this has to do with what I said, but let's try to be clear. People do pay into SS.
 
Conservative said:
Not a different question at all, where does the money come from to fund those IOU's?
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Your question - what those dollars will be worth when you retire and the debt is paid - is a separate issue from IF we should honor those debts.

Yesterday, you made a repeated fundamental error on the issue of double taxation and you only relented when many posters pointed it out to you. Now this is todays fundamental error.
 
Boo Radley said:
Please try to understand, no is claiming raising taxes puts people to work. So, don't be silly. I am saying tax cuts don't put them to work either. Government does not control the economy. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Jobs will come when the cycle moves around again to where there is enough reason to believe people will buy that business sees reason to grow. The government cannot control that. It is a mistake in reasoning on your part to look to governemnt to fix this problem.
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Tax cuts put more money into the hands of the consumer and it is the consumer that drives the U.S. economy. The govt. controls how much spendable income the individual has by the taxes they demand. More taxes equals less spendable income, lower taxes means more spendable income. Any idea which one benefits the economy the most?
 
Boo Radley said:
Not sure what this has to do with what I said, but let's try to be clear. People do pay into SS.
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Yes, they sure do, with their payroll taxes and those payroll taxes are supposed to go into the Al Gore "lock box" for use in the future. It is a future obligation that now has IOU's supporting it, all because of the unified budget
 
Conservative said:
Your money should go to national defense per the Constitution. You don't like spending it on wars, neither do I but there is evil in the world that wants you dead. My family members served in Iraq, did you?
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I don't think it required us to invade. And yes, I did serve, did you? If not, man up and sign up instead of asking others to fight your wars.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
For current and near current retirees, yes.
For everyone else, I believe it needs to be adjusted.
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And what would be the age cutoff for that "adjustment"?

What would be the nuts and bolts of that "adjustment"?
 
Conservative said:
Tax cuts put more money into the hands of the consumer and it is the consumer that drives the U.S. economy. The govt. controls how much spendable income the individual has by the taxes they demand. More taxes equals less spendable income, lower taxes means more spendable income. Any idea which one benefits the economy the most?
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For those who spend, not nearly enough. The wealthy largely don't spend, and are not effected by tax cuts in any real way. Business also won't spend just because they got a tax cut. It simply does not work that way. For it work, you need those people already paying no federal taxes to get a huge cut. Do you see that happening? ;)
 
haymarket said:
Your question - what those dollars will be worth when you retire and the debt is paid - is a separate issue from IF we should honor those debts.

Yesterday, you made a repeated fundamental error on the issue of double taxation and you only relented when many posters pointed it out to you. Now this is todays fundamental error.
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My repeated error is trying to deal with bureaucrats like you who believe the govt. is the answer as you try to implement govt. help in your state, one that is a liberal disaster due to your kind of help. Inflation affects every American and I am still waiting for you to explain how those IOU's are going to be repaid and what that does to the value of the "benefit" that the retiree is going to get.
 
TheNextEra said:
I don't think it required us to invade. And yes, I did serve, did you? If not, man up and sign up instead of asking others to fight your wars.
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Yes, I did serve and whether or not you supported the war is irrelevant, we went to war and won the war but are now losing the peace. Defense is the role of the Federal Govt. not social engineering. You can argue whether or not fighting in Iraq serves our national defense but you cannot argue in support of social spending to solve local personal responsibility issues.
 
Boo Radley said:
For those who spend, not nearly enough. The wealthy largely don't spend, and are not effected by tax cuts in any real way. Business also won't spend just because they got a tax cut. It simply does not work that way. For it work, you need those people already paying no federal taxes to get a huge cut. Do you see that happening? ;)
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How do you know what the rich do with their money? Does charitable giving go up or down when taxes are cut? What a business does with their money is not your concern nor should it be. The problem you cannot seem to grasp is that it isn't the Federal Taxpayers responsibility to solve your state and local problems.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, I did serve...
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Really? What branch and unit were you with in Iraq? Or are you trying to say that since you had a relative in you "served"?

Conservative said:
and whether or not you supported the war is irrelevant, we went to war and won the war but are now losing the peace. Defense is the role of the Federal Govt. not social engineering. You can argue whether or not fighting in Iraq serves our national defense but you cannot argue in support of social spending to solve local personal responsibility issues.
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No, it is not irrelevent and that is proof in the cost in both money and lives.

And we can argue in support of social spending SS, welfare, etc, you just don't like it and dismiss it.
 
TheNextEra said:
Really? What branch and unit were you with in Iraq?



No, it is not irrelevent and that is proof in the cost in both money and lives.

And we can argue in support of social spending SS, welfare, etc, you just don't like it and dismiss it.
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What branch where you in when I served during the Vietnam War?

Wars always cost money and lives. Unfortunately naive people like you refuse to accept that others don't have your values for life and that there is evil in the world that wants you dead.
 
Conservative said:
My repeated error is trying to deal with bureaucrats like you who believe the govt. is the answer as you try to implement govt. help in your state, one that is a liberal disaster due to your kind of help. Inflation affects every American and I am still waiting for you to explain how those IOU's are going to be repaid and what that does to the value of the "benefit" that the retiree is going to get.
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NO. You error was claiming the double taxation regarding capital gains. Just go back yesterday and reread all your posts and the response you got and then you finally fessed up and admitted your error. So today its a new day and a new meme and a new error for you. And the sun sets in the west tonight in other breaking news.
 
Conservative said:
Wars always cost money and lives. Unfortunately naive people like you refuse to accept that others don't have your values for life and that there is evil in the world that wants you dead.
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I accept wars cost money and lives that is why war should be the LAST resort used only in DIRECT defense of the United States. Not for some **** like we went into with Iraq. How does a bogus invasion show value for life? Hint, it doesn't.

Sorry, but you really need to grow up and stop playing "victim" because the govt. asks you to pay what you can afford.
 
Connery said:
I find it difficult to take Romney seriously.
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excellent assessment. he will tell us that he knows how to create jobs. notice that he never tells us how he intends to accomplish that feat
 
TheNextEra said:
And yet you will elect Romney who will spend just like the rest and you elected Bush twice who DID spend just like all the rest. Again, spare us your feigned outrage on spending about spending. When your side does it, you re-elect them.
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Wow, You know who he is going to vote for in 9 months and who he voted for 12 years and 8 years ago?
 
justabubba said:
notice that he never tells us how he intends to accomplish that feat
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The GOP version of "Hope and Change". More of the same, just with a different letter in front of the name.
 
Caine said:
Wow, You know who he is going to vote for in 9 months and who he voted for 12 years and 8 years ago?
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He already admitted he would vote for Romney and he has voted for presidents in the past that have raised the debt and spent big. I'm glad he has a cheerleading section, thanks!
 
TheNextEra said:
He already admitted he would vote for Romney and he has voted for presidents in the past that have raised the debt and spent big. I'm glad he has a cheerleading section, thanks!
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Now you take a question on your ESP like abilities to mean I am cheerleading for him?

Dude, have you considered going into the Psychic Phone A Friend Network business? Your about as accurate as they are.
 
Caine said:
Now you take a question on your ESP like abilities to mean I am cheerleading for him?

Dude, have you considered going into the Psychic Phone A Friend Network business? Your about as accurate as they are.
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Yeah, going by his own admission of who has said he will vote for and has voted for is ESP. Yes, he has a cheerleading section. You're doing great, but I would suggest a little more "Rah Rah Rah" and maybe more brown nosing on your part to complete it.
 
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