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State of the Union Address

Catawba said:
How is that different from private insurance, except that the cost through a single payer system is half as expensive?
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Because even with private insurance I can choose to pay more, for the less cost effective procedure.

Catawba said:
No, all the comparisons I have seen rate access greater to all citizens through a single payer system.
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They rate averages.
If you fall into the average, all is well, if you don't, you're out of luck.
 
Catawba said:
So all the GOP has to do to convince seniors (the only demographic they carried in the last presidential election) to vote for them because the GOP will reduce their health care benefits so as to provide for even larger tax cuts for the rich?

We'll see how that plays out for them! :lamo
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First off, I'm not affiliated with the GOP.

Second, I seriously question your morals and sincerity to making things better.
You're only interested in "winning", not interested in really fixing anything.

Otherwise you wouldn't make comments like this.
And just to show again, you don't ever pay attention.

I said I favored a modest tax increase, but keep going on with your bs talking points.
You're not here to debate, you're here to preach.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I have no respect for people who don't want to pay an equitable share to secure the finances of the U.S. government.
Seniors need to pay a little more.
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You did not answer the question. You changed the quuestion. Do you support the USA honoring its debts according to its Constitutional obligations?
 
liblady said:
no, my effective income tax rate is high than romney's.
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well, given that the average effective tax rate is around 11%, you must be in the sweet spot. what are you pulling in?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
For current and near current retirees, yes.
For everyone else, I believe it needs to be adjusted.
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I think it is time they call it what it is. It is a tax. The money leaves my pocket so the government can spend it on what they want. If they spend it on SS checks for the elderly and disabled, great. I have no realistic hope of seeing SS. Plan for your future, that is the best you can do. Don't rely on the government to take care of you.
 
Blue_State said:
I think it is time they call it what it is. It is a tax. The money leaves my pocket so the government can spend it on what they want. If they spend it on SS checks for the elderly and disabled, great. I have no realistic hope of seeing SS. Plan for your future, that is the best you can do. Don't rely on the government to take care of you.
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I agree, I could even accept a gov disability insurance program.
But paying people when they reach X age is dumb, we're paying them to not be productive.

Not to mention that it's inherently gender and racially discriminatory.
 
Blue_State said:
I think it is time they call it what it is. It is a tax. The money leaves my pocket so the government can spend it on what they want. If they spend it on SS checks for the elderly and disabled, great. I have no realistic hope of seeing SS. Plan for your future, that is the best you can do. Don't rely on the government to take care of you.
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truth. SS is one of the many ways in which the Boomer Generation is going to screw over younger workers.
 
pbrauer said:
You posted Series Id: CES0500000001 and that's what I posted, Con. I went clicked on the More Formatting Options then I chose 1-Month Net Change. Sadly, you don't know WTF you're talking about.
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Apparently you support a President how into his fourth year of his Administration has a net job loss, net employment loss, net unemployment losses, declining labor force, higher misery index, and did all this at a cost of 4.6 trillion added to the debt. Those are the numbers trumped by the fact that the month to month private sector job growth is an improvement. Doesn't looke likt you have a clue WTF you are talking about or who you are supporting. You buy what obama says and ignores what he has done.
 
AdamT said:
Wow, what an insightful, not at all hyperpartisan response. :thumbs:
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Didn't expect you or the other liberal sharks here to get it, you apparently never will understand the failures of liberalism nor personal responsibilities. At least you apparently read it, now let it sink in and get back to me.
 
upsideguy said:
That would be page 4 of the BLS Current Employment Statistics..... I do know exactly what it shows, it is you that has no clue....

http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/ceshighlights.pdf

Glad to see your 1-2-3 punch of non-responsiveness, insults and obfuscation (though you were more responsive this time than most). You can keep buying your Fox News rhetoric of lies and half truths...and continue posting 28,000 more posts that say nothing and show no original thought. We get it; when will you?
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i am not surprised to see that a net job loss, net employment loss, net labor force loss, net unemployment gains, a rising misery index all at a cost of 4.6 trillion added to the debt is a success to you. I get it, rhetoric trumps substance in your world.
 
iguanaman said:
Actually it more YOU that has a problem, and we are not voting up the rates of the "rest"........ only the top 1%.
You guys got enough freebies to last a lifetime under Bush. At least you'll have your memories, you knew it couldn't last.
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Class warfare and envy is all you have. You don't hear me complaining about how much you have, wonder why? I don't give a damn, why do you care how much the top 1% makes? Do you know what they do with their money, how much they give to charity, how much they pay in local and state taxes, how much they give to their church? No, of course not, you don't care because you don't know what you are talking about. That defines liberalism to a tee.
 
haymarket said:
Actually that is an entirely separate question from the government honor its its debts and obligations to the citizens of the USA.
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Not a different question at all, where does the money come from to fund those IOU's?
 
In a nutshell, I like these:

"1. Removing tax deductions for shipping jobs overseas and providing new incentives for bringing them back home;

2. Targeting the domestic production incentive on manufacturers who create jobs here at home and doubling the deduction for advanced manufacturing;

3. Introducing a new Manufacturing Communities Tax Credit to encourage investments in communities affected by job loss;

4. Providing temporary tax credits to drive nearly $20 billion in domestic clean energy manufacturing;

5. Reauthorizing 100% expensing of investment in plants and equipment;

6. Closing a loophole that allows companies to shift profits overseas."
 
Connery said:
In a nutshell, I like these:

"1. Removing tax deductions for shipping jobs overseas and providing new incentives for bringing them back home;

2. Targeting the domestic production incentive on manufacturers who create jobs here at home and doubling the deduction for advanced manufacturing;

3. Introducing a new Manufacturing Communities Tax Credit to encourage investments in communities affected by job loss;

4. Providing temporary tax credits to drive nearly $20 billion in domestic clean energy manufacturing;

5. Reauthorizing 100% expensing of investment in plants and equipment;

6. Closing a loophole that allows companies to shift profits overseas."
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not that I disagree with you but what does any of this have to do with the excessive spending and the massive expansion of govt? When will spending ever be addressed and cut with the real role of the Federal govt. resurfacing?
 
TurtleDude said:
when half the country doesn't pay income taxes but has almost enough votes to continually vote up the rates of the rest, we have a real problem

the rest of your post is idiotic
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Your argument that the mysterious 47% of the people don't pay taxes is wearing thin and is a distortion of the facts and sheer propaganda that you've bought into. In other words, that dog don't hunt.

For the rest of my post to be idiotic...I guess that would make the person who penned it to be an idiot. Right?

TD, post after post after post you bully people around like your professional credentials and your financial status gives you the supreme right to degrade, dismiss, and belittle other people's opinion and facts. If people want to continue to buy into your conservative extremism opinions as the truth, nothing but the truth...so be it. BUT I KNOW IT ISN'T.

I have another posting coming regarding your taxpayer claims. Meanwhile...talk amongst yourselves...
 
Removable Mind said:
Your argument that the mysterious 47% of the people don't pay taxes is wearing thin and is a distortion of the facts and sheer propaganda that you've bought into. In other words, that dog don't hunt.

For the rest of my post to be idiotic...I guess that would make the person who penned it to be an idiot. Right?

TD, post after post after post you bully people around like your professional credentials and your financial status gives you the supreme right to degrade, dismiss, and belittle other people's opinion and facts. If people want to continue to buy into your conservative extremism opinions as the truth, nothing but the truth...so be it. BUT I KNOW IT ISN'T.

I have another posting coming regarding your taxpayer claims. Meanwhile...talk amongst yourselves...
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Better tell the IRS that their data is wrong, because 47% of all INCOME EARNING HOUSEHOLDS don't pay any Federal Income taxes with many getting a check from the taxpayers even though they don't pay any Federal income Taxes.
 
pbrauer said:
Guess what Sheik, it turns out that more people were put on food stamps under Bush than Obama. :lamo:lamo

FactCheck.org : Newt’s Faulty Food-Stamp Claim
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Did you read your article before you decided to start laughing about it....

Are food stamps at a record setting high? Yes (Now, personally...I don't actually care about this statement in a way similar I don't care about Obama's "oil production" statement because in both cases every year or two there's typically a new "record setting high" because its continually growing).

It points out that more people were put on food stamps under Bush than undre Obama....14.7 to 14.2 million. HOWEVER, it ALSO points out that its comparing Bush's 8 years to Obama's 3 years. So in 3 years Obama has seen .5 less millison.

So as your article points out, the RATE of growht is substantially higher with Obama. Bush added an average of roughly 1.8 million a year during his term. Thus far the rate of increaes for Obama is 4.7 million. Could that go down over time? Absolutely...but if you're FORCING us, as the website is doing, of taking a snapshot then you have to rightfully look at the fact they're taking 8 years of numbers and comparing it to 3.

So while you may be able to laugh that on a technicality Newt's statement wasn't correct, the generalized message behind his statement is actually shown pretty clearly from your own link. Increasing food stamp recipients at a pace of nearly 4 Million more a year than Bush is hardly something to :lamo at
 
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Conservative said:
Actually it is much easier stating you are wrong. Apparently you have no clue how the private sector works as it is results oriented and results matter a lot more than the rhetoric. That puts us at exact opposites. I look at results and how those results were generated and you buy the rhetoric ignoring the results.

Like most liberals you always want to divide people into classes. As a conservative it is very frustrating to be working so hard for people like you to keep more of what you earn. Not sure why or if you went to college but I went there with the idea of making a better life for myself and my family. I never cared what someone else has or what they pay in taxes. I always learned to celebrate success including successes of people like you if there ever was such a thing.

This country was built on rugged individualism and self reliance. There always were consequences for failure but apparently not in your world. The only thing preventing you or any other liberal for joining the top 2% is your attitude and probably work ethic. If I wanted the rest of you to go to hell, I would be supporting Obama and liberalism plus I would care if you joined those of us that have produced in upper income.
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Are you afraid of the answer? Is that it? Instead of facing the truth, you've doubled down on insulting and rhetoric? Honestly, that's pretty sad.

Do the facts get in the way of your rhetoric? Conservatives have tried over and over again to use the same tactics of tax cutting and regulation smashing to help the economy. For the last 50 years every Conservative that took office, ran up our deficit to higher and higher levels. This year we have Conservatives asking to once again do exactly what they did in previous years, yet telling us the results will be different this time. 100% nonsense.

If it's not clear to you yet that the Conservative view of tax cutting (without balancing the budget) and regulations smashing (without understanding the ramifications of such actions) doesn't work well, then you've been living in the cone of silence your entire life.
 
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