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State of the Union Address

Conservative said:
Keep buying the rhetoric from the liberal establishment, the wealthy are paying the same rate you are paying for capital gains and are paying a higher rate on their income than you are paying.
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and are contributing far more money to fund government
 
ARealConservative said:
and are contributing far more money to fund government
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Amazing isn't it, Romney pays over 3 million in taxes and 47% of income households aren't paying any Federal Income Taxes and the liberals claim that Romney is getting a bigger tax cut than those 47% of households. That is liberal logic and why they have no credibility.
 
Conservative said:
So rich people don't spend money? How does a rich person hurt the middle class and the poor?
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What stimulates the economy more, 400 people spending a million dollars a year or 100 million people spending $4,000 a year???
 
ARealConservative said:
and are contributing far more money to fund government
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No **** Sherlock. It's kinda hard for, say, a single mom with three kids, and working three jobs, to contribute more money than, say, a multi-billionaire.
And yet you accuse her of greed...
Could someone please explain the logic in that?
 
Zyphlin said:
Absolutely...if a similar amount of slashing was done to entitlement programs. Considering those two groups...entitlement spending and the military...make up roughly 75% of our spending its ridiculous to not address either one.

And before I hear the talking point of "But some entitlements bring in revenue!!!!"...that's true. On the flip side, the federal government is largley singularly responsible for the military spending as opposed to entitlements that can get significant state support, and the maintence of armed forces is unquestionably a constitutional purpose of the federal government where as most entitlements are far more questionable in that nature. So Spare me the pathetic partisan excuse that we should significantly destory one but leave the other mostly untouched save for mild reforms primarily aimed not at reducing the amount spent on them but simply finding new ways to raise more taxes for them.
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On what entitlement do we spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined?
 
Conservative said:
Amazing isn't it, Romney pays over 3 million in taxes and 47% of income households aren't paying any Federal Income Taxes and the liberals claim that Romney is getting a bigger tax cut than those 47% of households. That is liberal logic and why they have no credibility.
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in what alien world is it fair that romney pay a lower tax rate than i do? NONE. in fact, it's bull****, and of course romney, and other like minded republicans, will continue to push the tax burden down to the middle class. john mccain is right about one thing: republicans need to focus on their bread and butter, the working class, because a rising tide doesn't lift all boats, not anymore.
 
Conservative said:
Again, no specifics, just rhetoric. how much, Catawba? Stop diverting. The current Military budget is about 750 billion, cut how much? Talk by liberals of sending more money to the govt. is nonsense but apparently you believe the govt. needs the money more than the taxpayers
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We could cut military spending by 2/3 and still would be spending more on military than any other country on the planet.
 
Catawba said:
What stimulates the economy more, 400 people spending a million dollars a year or 100 million people spending $4,000 a year???
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What generates more revenue to the govt. a rich person like Romney paying 15% or over 3 million dollars or the 47% of income earning households or 54 million American households paying no Federal Income taxes and in some cases getting money back. Or how about the 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans, how much are they paying in FIT?

Then compare that to raising taxes on those evil rich people and see how much money you will get? your class envy and jealousy is noted
 
Catawba said:
We could cut military spending by 2/3 and still spend more than any other country on the planet.
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So you believe we could operate on a 250 billion dollar military budget? And what happens if you are wrong? But let's say you are right, 500 billion cut in military still has a budget deficit of 900 billion dollars. You have no concept of consequences for failure or making a mistake because in the liberal world mistakes are never made.
 
Conservative said:
your class envy and jealousy is noted
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Allow me to repeat this:
The Dragon said:
So the liberal says to the conservative:
"I don't think CEO's need to be billionaires to live a decent life."
Then the conservative says:
"HEY! SIMMER DOWN WITH THE CLASS WARFARE! YOU DON'T NEED TO BE SUCH A D*** ABOUT IT!"
Heck, If I blew my nose you'd start accusing me of inciting class warfare. It's a shame that this is flu season.
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The Dragon said:
No **** Sherlock. It's kinda hard for, say, a single mom with three kids, and working three jobs, to contribute more money than, say, a multi-billionaire.
And yet you accuse her of greed...
Could someone please explain the logic in that?
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Is she demanding things from government? If so, she is greedy, but unlike the rich man that is greedy for what he has earned, she is greedy for what she hasn't.
 
Catawba said:
On what entitlement do we spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined?
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No clue and irrelevant. What the "rest of the world" spends means precisely jack and **** to me...but thanks for making my point about how hyper partisans will happily find any and every stereotypical, empthy rhetorical talking point to defend why THEIR sacred cow that is making up the VAST majority of what we spend our money on is "diiiiiiiiiiiiiferent
 
liblady said:
in what alien world is it fair that romney pay a lower tax rate than i do? NONE. in fact, it's bull****, and of course romney, and other like minded republicans, will continue to push the tax burden down to the middle class. john mccain is right about one thing: republicans need to focus on their bread and butter, the working class, because a rising tide doesn't lift all boats, not anymore.
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How does Romney pay a lower tax rate than you do? What rate are you paying on your investments? What is bull**** is the liberal argument over what someone else pays in FIT. Your class envy and jealousy is noted.
 
liblady said:
in what alien world is it fair that romney pay a lower tax rate than i do? NONE. in fact, it's bull****, and of course romney, and other like minded republicans, will continue to push the tax burden down to the middle class. john mccain is right about one thing: republicans need to focus on their bread and butter, the working class, because a rising tide doesn't lift all boats, not anymore.
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You do understand where his earnings came from, yes?
 
Conservative said:
What generates more revenue to the govt. a rich person like Romney paying 15% or over 3 million dollars or the 47% of income earning households or 54 million American households paying no Federal Income taxes and in some cases getting money back. Or how about the 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans, how much are they paying in FIT?

Then compare that to raising taxes on those evil rich people and see how much money you will get? your class envy and jealousy is noted
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you really need to stop with the envy crap. why is it that too many times, with wealth comes obliviousness to your fellow citizens? i would love to be rich.......but i'm not. i also don't spend any time envying my friends who are rich (quite rich). i merely want fairness.
 
Conservative said:
What proposals of the Bowles/Simpson committee did Obama adopt?
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Cutting military spending, but not enough, streamlining the regulatory process and health care reform. What tax increases that were recommended in the Bowles/Simpson have the GOP adopted.
 
I wished I was the owner of the KY company...and convince all of you just how much you need it. Your politicians of all flavor and government are screwing America to a spiraling death.
 
Zyphlin said:
No clue and irrelevant. What the "rest of the world" spends means precisely jack and **** to me...but thanks for making my point about how hyper partisans will happily find any and every stereotypical, empthy rhetorical talking point to defend why THEIR sacred cow that is making up the VAST majority of what we spend our money on is "diiiiiiiiiiiiiferent
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Well if our most wasteful spending means exactly jack **** to you then you are just another that wants his cake and wants to eat it too.
 
liblady said:
you really need to stop with the envy crap. why is it that too many times, with wealth comes obliviousness to your fellow citizens? i would love to be rich.......but i'm not. i also don't spend any time envying my friends who are rich (quite rich). i merely want fairness.
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then stop acting like you have class envy. How did any rich person hurt you or your family? You made a flat out lie, if you have capital gains you pay the same tax rate as Romney but no, you buy the liberal bull****. That makes you look foolish. You don't want fairness for if you did you would expect the 47% of income earning households to pay something in FIT, the 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans to be re-employed full time, and you wouldn't promote punishing producers because you don't think they pay enough when so many aren't paying anything
 
Catawba said:
Cutting military spending, but not enough, streamlining the regulatory process and health care reform. What tax increases that were recommended in the Bowles/Simpson have the GOP adopted.
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Great, then cut the spending first then we can talk about tax increases starting with those that earn income but pay nothing in FIT
 
Henrin said:
Is she demanding things from government? If so, she is greedy, but unlike the rich man that is greedy for what he has earned, she is greedy for what she hasn't.
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I can't even tell if you're being serious anymore.
If if a mother with three jobs can barely feed a family of four, let's be generous and say she earns 200K annually. Quite an exaggeration, but whatever. Let's say the billionaire earns 20 million a year. A massive scale-down, but again, whatever. Let's be generous again and say that the mother of three works 20 hours a week. (Yes, total between her three jobs.) for it to be fair, the billionaire would have to work 2000 hours a week. Even in such an extremely favorable circumstance for you, it's still not possible.
So can it with the "They earned their money and the rest of you always slack off" crap.
 
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Conservative said:
How does Romney pay a lower tax rate than you do?
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well, according to the CBO:

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the average federal tax burden for an American citizen is actually around 11% - liblady likely pays less than Romney did in all but nominal rates (which are useless).

a good question might be - what percentage of your income do you donate to charity? :)
 
The Dragon said:
I can't even tell if you're being serious anymore.
If if a mother with three jobs can barely feed a family of four, let's be generous and say she earns 200K annually. Quite an exaggeration, but whatever. Let's say the billionaire earns 20 million a year. A massive scale-down, but again, whatever. Let's be generous again and say that the mother of three works 20 hours a week. (Yes, total between her three jobs.) for it to be fair, the billionaire would have to work 2000 hours a week. Even in an extremely favorable circumstance for you, it's still not possible.
So can it with the "They earned their money and the rest of you always slack off" crap.
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Do you think it is my responsibility to pay for your expenses? That seems to be what you are asking or you don't have a clue where the FEderal govt. gets its money. Social problems are state and local issues, not the Federal Taxpayer's responsibilities.
 
Catawba said:
Cutting military spending, but not enough, streamlining the regulatory process and health care reform. What tax increases that were recommended in the Bowles/Simpson have the GOP adopted.
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Bowles Simpson did not propose the health care reform that Obama adopted before their report. As for the tax alterations that Bowles Simpson proposed: the GOP proposed higher rates on top income earners than they did. Nor did Bowles/Simpson propose cutting a trillion dollars from the military (which even Obama's own SecDef says is "dangerous" and irresponsible).

They did, however, propose entitlement reform - the third rail of politics that Republicans then bravely picked up. How have democrats other than Wyden done with that?
 
cpwill said:
well, according to the CBO:

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the average federal tax burden for an American citizen is actually around 11% - liblady likely pays less than Romney did in all but nominal rates (which are useless).

a good question might be - what percentage of your income do you donate to charity? :)
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no, my effective income tax rate is high than romney's.
 
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