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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're just trying to wriggle out of the bear trap you set for yourself and stepped in. Bottom line is that the Obama's gave a significantly bigger chunk of their income to charity than the Romneys.
    What's your point?
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're just trying to wriggle out of the bear trap you set for yourself and stepped in. Bottom line is that the Obama's gave a significantly bigger chunk of their income to charity than the Romneys.
    And Obama gave significantly more Debt to the American's for programs...charitable. Always giving away other people's money.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're just trying to wriggle out of the bear trap you set for yourself and stepped in. Bottom line is that the Obama's gave a significantly bigger chunk of their income to charity than the Romneys.
    It doesn't matter. It's not a moral obligation to give a certain percentage of your income to charity. Charity is just what it is: voluntary giving for its own sake. I don't care if Obama gave 0%- it doesn't make him any more or any less in my eyes.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    wanted to point out the kernel of truth in your post
    So you're saying the rest of what I said isn't true?

    How about you put up and actually show me which of my numbers or statements...derived directly from the source provided...was incorrect? Or more were you just trying to white wash all the stuff that wasn't good for your guy in an analysis that was actually intellectually honest and instead decided to want to provide it in your stereotypically hyperpartisan fashion?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Well.

    I honestly didn't think it was that bad.
    It was decent as far as SotU's go. Was it a campaign speech? Yes. But as I said earlier...I don't blame Obama for that, its what these things have been for some time. Delivery was good, rhetoric was strong, was a decent SOTU.

    There was a fair portion of it that I absolutely agreed with as well. Hell, he channeled Rick Perry's texas model when talking about jobs, channeled Newt and Huntsman on Natural Gas, channeled Huntsman again about lack of trust in government, suggested he'd sign the Newt version of the Dream Act since he stated to send him an Act that gives illegal children an oppertunity to earn their citizenship.

    However at the same time, while I liked the WORDS he stated, it doesn't change my views or thoughts or expectations for the men becuase I know words are wind with this man. I remember "Changing politics as we know it" followed by using loopholes and edge skirting as soon as he was in office. I remember railing against lobbyists working in administrations...and then bringing lobbyists into his administration within weeks. I remember him demanding a tax increase go with the tax cut extension and then claiming Republicans are wanting to raise taxes if they don't go along with it. I remember rhetoric about working on a 3:1 plan of spending cuts to taxes as some grand bipartisan effort when reality was the cuts were largely 8 years down the line IF they even occured and a large chunk was made up in the end of wars that were already in the process of being ended regardless of that bill. And even during his speech that night, I see the man who proudly patted himself on the back for bailing out GM.....and then 30 minutes later lambasting the unfairness of bialouts. I saw a man who went on and on 3 years ago about being a united and changing partisan politics proclaiming that people who simply disagree with him on things and who HAVE put forth budgets, and health care plans, and numerous other things as being "obstructionists".

    I think it was an above average SotU and that he did a fine job. There's nothing hugely wrong with the SotU. At the same time, it doens't change my opinion or expectation of the man at all. Maybe if the rhetoric matches reality this time then that will change, but only way to find that out is if it actually happens.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Class warfare and envy is all you have. You don't hear me complaining about how much you have, wonder why? I don't give a damn, why do you care how much the top 1% makes? Do you know what they do with their money, how much they give to charity, how much they pay in local and state taxes, how much they give to their church? No, of course not, you don't care because you don't know what you are talking about. That defines liberalism to a tee.
    I care because we are all in this together and together we will fix the problems. You are creating the class envy by bowing out of the "great experiment". Our economy simply won't work with the income maldistribution we have now. We can't take more money from the middle class without crashing spending, the money we need MUST come from income not spent. That's the way it has been and it was that tax structure that helped created the greatest economy in the world. Stop biting off your nose to spite your face, a rising tide raises all boats. You will still be rich and with a stronger middle class, probably even richer.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What's your point?
    My point is self evident.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I care because we are all in this together and together we will fix the problems. You are creating the class envy by bowing out of the "great experiment". Our economy simply won't work with the income maldistribution we have now. We can't take more money from the middle class without crashing spending, the money we need MUST come from income not spent. That's the way it has been and it was that tax structure that helped created the greatest economy in the world. Stop biting off your nose to spite your face, a rising tide raises all boats. You will still be rich and with a stronger middle class, probably even richer.
    If you truly cared about results you would hold this Administration accountable for their poor results and economic failures. it isn't the role of the Federal Govt. to redistribute wealth in the name of compassion for all that does is fuel career politicians and massive expansion of the Federal govt. What is the role of the state and local government in your world?

    Unlike what many liberals think, I wasn't born rich, worked for everything i have and resent liberals telling me what to do with that money. How do you know what I do with my income and why should I be forced by a bureaucrat to give more of my money to a federal bureaucracy at the expense of local charities and my church?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you know what I do with my income and why should I be forced by a bureaucrat to give more of my money to a federal bureaucracy at the expense of local charities and my church?
    You're not forced at all, you're free to leave the country and renounce your citizenship anytime you wish.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You're not forced at all, you're free to leave the country and renounce your citizenship anytime you wish.
    As are you if you don't like capitalism and free enterprise. This country wasn't built on the vision of Barack Obama or liberalism but yours is a typical response from a liberal who cannot accept being challenged. You constantly buy rhetoric about spending in the name of compassion yet never holding liberalism for their failure in generating compassionate results. Keep ignoring how much I give to charity and to my church. Apparently that isn't spending my money the way you or the bureaucrats want.

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