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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If writing off our $2.6 trillion dollar debt to seniors and transferring health care costs on those than cannot afford them, I am not interested.
    Yea, that's why I never said that.
    How about you form a rebuttal based on what I say, instead of what you make up?
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    GDP grew from 9.9 trillion to 14.4 trillion in 8 years of Bush, name for me any other modern day President that had a 4.5 trillion increase in GDP. You need to stop buying the leftwing rhetoric and get the facts. BEA.gov will give you economic growth numbers. Oh, by the way, Bush had a net job gain, Obama has a net job loss along with a declining labor force with over a million discouraged workers each and every month.
    Yeah, that's what I mean, despite the Bush tax cuts, there was stronger economic growth and more job growth under Clinton when the tax rates were higher, and we didn't end with the biggest Recession since the Great Depression. And our increase of National debt was a fraction of that under the Bush.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yea, that's why I never said that.
    How about you form a rebuttal based on what I say, instead of what you make up?
    How about you say something first and then I will rebut it. All you said was you would cut programs to balance the budget.

    Edit: wait a minute, you did say earlier that you didn't think taxpayers should have to pay back the money owed to seniors.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You keep repeating this, but it's just not true.
    It doesn't matter how many times you do repeat it.

    There are other economic models, which show that you can reduce medical industry expenditures.
    I don't know about the only way...I'm not that smart. But one way is to force insurance companies to truly compete in every state...make them accountable via the same anti-trust laws as most other corporations.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    You keep repeating this, but it's just not true.
    It doesn't matter how many times you do repeat it.

    There are other economic models, which show that you can reduce medical industry expenditures.
    Not without limiting benefits or access.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How about you say something first and then I will rebut it. All you said was you would cut programs to balance the budget.

    Edit: wait a minute, you did say earlier that you didn't think taxpayers should have to pay back the money owed to seniors.
    No I said you shouldn't take out debt in the name of people who have no say.

    But I've already made my points, you just keep making all these straw men for me to knock down, instead of being intellectually honest.
    It's same ole, same ole with your posting style.

    Cut = reducing spending, not eliminating entirely, just so we're clear.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah, that's what I mean, despite the Bush tax cuts, there was stronger economic growth and more job growth under Clinton when the tax rates were higher, and we didn't end with the biggest Recession since the Great Depression. And our increase of National debt was a fraction of that under the Bush.
    What is it about liberalism that creates this kind of loyalty, Clinton didn't have higher GDP growth than Bush thus there wasn't stronger economic growth as bea.gov will show you but you have no interest in anything that refutes your opinions which is all they are.

    You saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true but it does make you wrong and thus irrelevant.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not without limiting benefits or access.
    Umm Single payer does limit benefits and access.

    So basically you want people to have unlimited medical benefits at a low cost.
    And if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their asses, every time they hopped.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I don't know about the only way...I'm not that smart. But one way is to force insurance companies to truly compete in every state...make them accountable via the same anti-trust laws as most other corporations.
    I want the state to stop mandating non insurable benefits, that I'll never use like, coverage for pregnancy and in vitro.
    They seem to be going in the other direction though.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's right, the general fund owes SS 2.6 Trillion, so you look for ways for the General fund to pay that money back that was taken from the fund we all paid into for retirement insurance. Since a lack of revenues due to the tax cuts for the last 30 years required us to borrow money from SS in the first place, it seems obvious where the money should come from to pay it back.

    Sounds like to me you want absolve your responsibility for this money owed to seniors.
    Of course they do. It was the Republicans that squandered tha majority of that fund and now that it's gone they want to take the years of sweat by 100's of millions of workers and reduce it to nothing. What fund? Oh, that's been spent......... we have to start fresh. Sorry it doesn't work that way.
    SS was fixed in the 1980's to last forever....except that the huge income disparity has now thrown the calculations off in 25 years or so. The SS withholding money has to be levied on 90% of wages for continued solvency. Raisng the top limit on withholding from $108,000 to $180,000 will be enough to put SS on a firm footing without any benefit cuts.
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