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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post
    I wouldn't characterize it as an "opinion". It's a simple conveyance of basic arithmetic and financial principles.

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    You forgot to factor in the 2.6 trillion dollars owed to SS by the general fund. Please cite your source that shows SS is responsible for any of the National Debt.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    The other side of the coin that many do not see...

    Social pressure to have fewer children and use less resources. And spend less of your earnings. Fewer children means few workers and taxpayers to fund the retirements. Fewer healthy individuals paying health insurance premiums to pay for the increasing health care costs for a population that lives longer and longer.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Broken record.
    How many times have you blamed "the tax cuts for the last 30 years" for everything?

    Why would we have taken $2.6 trillion from SS over the last 30 years if we had plenty of tax receipts coming in? You don't believe in paying your debts?
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, it won't bring down the costs. It will just shift the costs to someone else. If anything it will increase the costs because Medicare and the VA are more efficient than strictly private insurance.
    Changes to programs, cause changes to behavior.
    When people have to spend more of their own money, to get things they need, they are much more careful.

    Adjusting the Medicare payment scheme, to encourage more mindful spending, by actual consumers isn't a bad thing.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Why would we have taken $2.6 trillion from SS over the last 30 years if we had coming in? You don't believe in paying your debts?
    I dunno, I wasn't born 30 years ago, it wasn't my responsibility.
    Not debts incurred without my consent, no they aren't mine.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post
    Cite the portion? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

    Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at or how its relevant to what I said.

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    SS has a 2.6 trillion dollar surplus. I was trying to get you to discover this on your own.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    By all logic and reason - how can we conclude anything other than the reality that our nation’s income/debt ratio is so profound that it is impossible for taxpayers to substantially reduce our enormous national debt – using current government taxation and spending methods and powers?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I dunno, I wasn't born 30 years ago, it wasn't my responsibility.
    Not debts incurred without my consent, no they aren't mine.
    Most of our debt is do to excessive military spending and optional wars that I didn't approve, should I be able to say I don't want to pay for that?

    As a US citizen, you (for your share of taxes) are responsible to pay US debts.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Changes to programs, cause changes to behavior.
    When people have to spend more of their own money, to get things they need, they are much more careful.

    Adjusting the Medicare payment scheme, to encourage more mindful spending, by actual consumers isn't a bad thing.
    Yes, that sounds logical, but in reality it isn't the case. Medicare and VA costs per patient are not much different than costs for those using private insurance. If anything they are lower.

    If you're thinking that these folks are going to be paying for their health care out of their own pockets, think again. 99.9% of the people in this country would go bankrupt if they came down with a serious illness and didn't have insurance.

    The answer to this problem is so painfully obvious. Our per capita costs are DOUBLE what other advanced countries pay. Other advanced countries ALL employ single payer in one form or another. 2 + 2 = ?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    By all logic and reason - how can we conclude anything other than the reality that our nation’s income/debt ratio is so profound that it is impossible for taxpayers to substantially reduce our enormous national debt – using current government taxation and spending methods and powers?
    We could reduce it but no one wants to give an inch.
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