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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So you believe we could operate on a 250 billion dollar military budget? And what happens if you are wrong? But let's say you are right, 500 billion cut in military still has a budget deficit of 900 billion dollars. You have no concept of consequences for failure or making a mistake because in the liberal world mistakes are never made.
    A $500 billion cut in excess military spending would be 15 trillion dollars over 30 years, adding in the Bush tax cuts ($690 billion over the next 10 years) would be another $2 trillion dollars.
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    That's $17 trillion dollars over the next 30 years! And we would still be spending more on the military than any other country on the planet!
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So question....

    Did we enact things to expand our oil production 10 years ago, under Bush, and that's what is coming to fruition now?

    OR

    Is it actually possible to expand oil production currently and it come into play sooner than 10 years?

    Because one or the other has to be the case if Obama's statements about Oil production is true.
    Notice he didn't say much if anything at all about doing things to encourage the building of more (and more efficient) refineries. You think he may actually not know what the main problem with gasoline prices is? Could he be that ignorant......or is this simply more political maneuvering?
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    Re: State of the Union Address

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    Well if our most wasteful spending means exactly jack **** to you then you are just another that wants his cake and wants to eat it too.
    I don't believe its our most wasteful spending. Whether or not it is is entirely opinion based, which goes back to my point. You can't get out of your own hyper partisan way to accept the fact that just becuase YOU believe it to be so that doesn't make it some universal fact.

    I've stated before, and I'll state again...you give me a proposal that cuts CURRENT expenditures on the Defense Spending and Entitlements by 1/3 over "X" amount of years and I'd agree with it immedietely.

    By doing that, by cutting them both by 1/3, we would actually get more savings than if we eliminated every other piece of government spending including our debt payments. And they'd still, combined, make up 2/3rds of all government spending.

    Entitlement spending makes up just over 1/2 of our total spending. National Defense makes up just under 1/4th roughly. If we cut Defense Spending by 3/4ths, we'd save somewhere around $500 billion. Cut Entitlements by 1/3rd and you save roughly $150 billion more than that, at nearly $650 billion. To put in perspective....a 9/12ths cut to Defense Spending saves about $150 billion less in spending than a 4/12th cut in Entitlements. Thinking you can just gut Defense with doing nothing but a magic show of "reform" with entitlement costs to have any kind of impact is foolishness, plain and simple.

    Cutting them both by 1/3rd would save just under a TRILLION dollars a year in spending while leaving them both as still the majority of government spending.

    Personally I'd also say do a 1% national sales tax too to be quite honest, with that money specifically earmarked in such a way that its not touchable by any government entity but rather that it goes directly to a fund that is used to pay down our debt on top of our normal debt payment. This would effectively allow us to pay double our debt payments each year, thus paying our debt off faster AND lowering the amount of payment we need to give the following year. Once we paid off our debt, whenever that would be, then the tax could either sunset or it could be set to act as a Rainy day fund. Though that is likely decades away.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Great, then cut the spending first then we can talk about tax increases starting with those that earn income but pay nothing in FIT
    Yeah, right, same story we have gotten from the Republicans for the last 30 years!
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A $500 billion cut in excess military spending would be 15 trillion dollars over 30 years
    A 1/3rd cut to Entitlement spending would be about $150 billion more per year than your 3/4ths cut to Military spending.

    You save roughly $650 billion a year making a cut that's 5/12ths of a percent less (because as we all know, liberals care about the Percentage and not the raw number ).

    So cutting 1/3 from something that makes up just over 1/2 of the government saves you roughly $150 billion more a year than cutting 3/4ths out of something that makes up just under 1/4th of the government.

    That's 19.5 Trillion over your same 30 year time period. That's 2.5 trillion more than your total when you combine your 3/4ths of a cut with the bush tax cut removal.

    Ah my earlier proposal...the 1/3rd from both? That'd be 27 Trillion over 30 years...a full 10 trillion more than yours.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    I've read most/all of the current president's SOTU speeches before.

    Like any other Dem/Rep president, they're all fluff pieces and not really created to address the state of the union.
    Just a campaign speech, at the cost of tax payer money.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't believe its our most wasteful spending. Whether or not it is is entirely opinion based, which goes back to my point. You can't get out of your own hyper partisan way to accept the fact that just becuase YOU believe it to be so that doesn't make it some universal fact.

    I've stated before, and I'll state again...you give me a proposal that cuts CURRENT expenditures on the Defense Spending and Entitlements by 1/3 over "X" amount of years and I'd agree with it immedietely.

    By doing that, by cutting them both by 1/3, we would actually get more savings than if we eliminated every other piece of government spending including our debt payments. And they'd still, combined, make up 2/3rds of all government spending.

    Entitlement spending makes up just over 1/2 of our total spending. National Defense makes up just under 1/4th roughly. If we cut Defense Spending by 3/4ths, we'd save somewhere around $500 billion. Cut Entitlements by 1/3rd and you save roughly $150 billion more than that, at nearly $650 billion. To put in perspective....a 9/12ths cut to Defense Spending saves about $150 billion less in spending than a 4/12th cut in Entitlements. Thinking you can just gut Defense with doing nothing but a magic show of "reform" with entitlement costs to have any kind of impact is foolishness, plain and simple.

    Cutting them both by 1/3rd would save just under a TRILLION dollars a year in spending while leaving them both as still the majority of government spending.

    Personally I'd also say do a 1% national sales tax too to be quite honest, with that money specifically earmarked in such a way that its not touchable by any government entity but rather that it goes directly to a fund that is used to pay down our debt on top of our normal debt payment. This would effectively allow us to pay double our debt payments each year, thus paying our debt off faster AND lowering the amount of payment we need to give the following year. Once we paid off our debt, whenever that would be, then the tax could either sunset or it could be set to act as a Rainy day fund. Though that is likely decades away.

    The only way to fix the cost of health care is to upgrade our health care system as the rest of the industrialized world has done. SS is not responsible for any of our debt.

    We don't need another regressive tax that would even further the widest disparity of wealth in our history since the Great Depression.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The only way to fix the cost of health care is to upgrade our health care system as the rest of the industrialized world has done. SS is not responsible for any of our debt.

    We don't need another regressive tax that would even further the widest disparity of wealth in our history since the Great Depression.
    Seriously man, your posts are like spam.
    You say the same thing in multiple threads over and over again.

    Like an automated response.
    It gets old and is really just a way to weasel out of addressing Zyph's response.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    And talking points as to why we can't cut your sacred cow and instead need to spend more money...and then watching the hyper partisan who bitches about Conservatives refusing to agree to tax increases and refusing to compromise, shooting down a tax increase becuase it doesn't specifically shove it to the rich.

    I'm shocked. Uttelry shocked. Really, honestly...shocked.










    I'm not really shocked.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    A 1/3rd cut to Entitlement spending would be about $150 billion more per year than your 3/4ths cut to Military spending.

    You save roughly $650 billion a year making a cut that's 5/12ths of a percent less (because as we all know, liberals care about the Percentage and not the raw number ).

    So cutting 1/3 from something that makes up just over 1/2 of the government saves you roughly $150 billion more a year than cutting 3/4ths out of something that makes up just under 1/4th of the government.

    That's 19.5 Trillion over your same 30 year time period. That's 2.5 trillion more than your total when you combine your 3/4ths of a cut with the bush tax cut removal.

    Ah my earlier proposal...the 1/3rd from both? That'd be 27 Trillion over 30 years...a full 10 trillion more than yours.

    Cutting funding to medicare does nothing to address the highest health care cost in the world, and again SS is not responsible for any of our debt.
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