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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the middle class doesn't need it either, but since we can't predict the future, how about we let them keep more of it just the same.
    If part of my house is being rented out just to help keep said house, I think that qualifies as needing said money. Certainly more so that the upper class.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    If govt acted responsible, there wouldn't need to be tax hikes on anyone! Both parties are guilty. Financially responsible men, either aquired or inherited wealth, but in either case MAINTAINED wealth, seem to lose perspective in the halls of govt. Hey! A million here and a million there, and after awhile we're talking REAL money! seems the prevailing pork barrel attitude.
    Government acted irresponsibly by cutting revenue (taxes) with the expectation that the revenues received by greater economic activity would make up the difference. Sure it was worth a try once, but to do it over and over and over again is just plain silly. You should not cut revenue without a plan to balance the budget with either cuts or other means of making up the difference.

    It's also irresponsible to issue tax cuts that mostly benefit a small portion of the society at the cost of reducing services to those that need them the most.

    So I agree, govt acted irresponsibly.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Where have you been misled???
    Maybe when you make statements like this:

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    And as you have openly admitted, there is no reason for the middle class to vote to continue the tax cuts for the rich, and the middle class has gotten your message:
    You imply that the middle class has gotten a message about 'tax cuts for the rich' and completely ignore the 'reduce spending' part of the question of the poll you reference.

    The Democrats are the only ones that have proposed doing both.
    WRONG! Where there NO Republicans on the debt commission? Were their recommendations ONLY tax related?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragon View Post
    And most people with a brain of any decency realize that the rich don't need all that money.

    What part of that do you not understand?
    I don't know about him, but I actually don't understand much of it.

    First, how does that cover what he said? You do realize the progressive tax system has proven itself unable to support the welfare state around the world, right? If not, take notice of the fact. It doesn't have the ability to support your wishes.

    Second, it doesn't much matter if they need all that money to survive. They earned it and therefore it is their property. A society that respect property doesn't just tax and tax and tax to take away excess money.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You can call people names if it make you feel better about yourself. However. its simply a matter of mathematics. - a consumer economy cannot prosper when all the money is concentrated at the top.
    So rich people don't spend money? How does a rich person hurt the middle class and the poor? You seem to judge everyone else by your own personal opinions. Because you don't give enough to charity or because Obama doesn't give enough to charity, that is your excuse for supporting a bigger govt to take that money all in the name of compassion yet never getting any compassionate spending or we wouldn't have a 15.2 trillion dollar debt and a 3.8 trillion dollar govt. your class envy and jealousy is noted

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    So apparently every wealthy American needs a heart transplant. And doesn't have health insurance.
    When you talk about the Republican candidates, you have to say "Mitt or Newt," else you'll have to say "Neuter Mitt."

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Would you accept military spending being slashed to help reduce the budget deficit?
    Absolutely...if a similar amount of slashing was done to entitlement programs. Considering those two groups...entitlement spending and the military...make up roughly 75% of our spending its ridiculous to not address either one.

    And before I hear the talking point of "But some entitlements bring in revenue!!!!"...that's true. On the flip side, the federal government is largley singularly responsible for the military spending as opposed to entitlements that can get significant state support, and the maintence of armed forces is unquestionably a constitutional purpose of the federal government where as most entitlements are far more questionable in that nature. So Spare me the pathetic partisan excuse that we should significantly destory one but leave the other mostly untouched save for mild reforms primarily aimed not at reducing the amount spent on them but simply finding new ways to raise more taxes for them.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Slashed to what? How come no one can ever get a figure for what is fair or how much should be cut from any program you don't like? could it be because you understand that the amount is insignificant to what liberals are spending? Do you have any idea how much in state and local taxes those evil rich people pay? How much charitable contributions they make? How much they give to churches? how much they give to their communities?

    Seems like you prefer that the Federal govt. pick the winners and losers rather than the individual taxpayer spending their money wherever they want.

    So you suggest that people only contribute what they want to the government, and if that doesn't leave enough money for an imperialistic sized military that would be fine with you?

    We spend almost as much of the rest of the world combined on the military. Until we are prepared to slash that kind of overspending, talk of tax cuts is nonsense.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragon View Post
    If part of my house is being rented out just to help keep said house, I think that qualifies as needing said money. Certainly more so that the upper class.
    And people living in a studio apartment can openly claim that you don’t need a house with multiple bathrooms.

    Air conditioning is a luxury, etc, etc.

    I don’t want to live in a society where a bunch of jealous jerks gets to say how much stuff is too much stuff

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by The Dragon View Post
    So apparently every wealthy American needs a heart transplant. And doesn't have health insurance.
    can you see into the future?

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