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    Just because someone makes a rebuttal doesn't mean they are right.

    If 51% of people polled believed that the media supported Obama vs 9% McCain that makes a pretty strong statement for liberal bias.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    Just because someone makes a rebuttal doesn't mean they are right.

    If 51% of people polled believed that the media supported Obama vs 9% McCain that makes a pretty strong statement for liberal bias.
    How does who you voted for equal bias? That is a mighty big jump across a river without any bridge that you failed to build.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Present the evidence of how the Bush tax cuts for the rich over the last ten years have benefited the middle class?
    It is your premise that is incorrect. The BTC's cut taxes on all classes. Note:

    Bush tax cuts: $544.3 billion…The bulk of that cost — $463 billion — is for the extension of cuts for families making less than $250,000, including two years of relief for 2010 and 2011 for the middle class from the Alternative Minimum Tax. The rest — $81.5 billion — is attributable to the extension of cuts that apply to the highest income families.

    In other words, 85% of the tax cuts went to the middle class


    Bush tax cut deal and surprise stimulus - what they cost - Dec. 7, 2010

    Maybe I'm confused. Were the BTCs on the wealthy suppose to benefit the middle class? Since Bush cut taxes on all classes why do you now want to promote division and attack only one income class?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Risk takers? We tax tight rope walkers? We tax fire eaters? We tax people who drive too fast for road conditions?
    Spoken like a true liberal, risk takers investing their own capital in hopes of generating a return so they are no longer in need of that so called liberal help and that is compared to driving a car too fast on the highways? LOL no wonder liberalism is a joke

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You did not answer the question.
    OH, pardon me.

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    Are you aware of what the Capital gains tax rates have been through our history?
    Yes.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    It is your premise that is incorrect. The BTC's cut taxes on all classes. Note:

    Bush tax cuts: $544.3 billion…The bulk of that cost — $463 billion — is for the extension of cuts for families making less than $250,000, including two years of relief for 2010 and 2011 for the middle class from the Alternative Minimum Tax. The rest — $81.5 billion — is attributable to the extension of cuts that apply to the highest income families.

    In other words, 85% of the tax cuts went to the middle class


    Bush tax cut deal and surprise stimulus - what they cost - Dec. 7, 2010

    Maybe I'm confused. Were the BTCs on the wealthy suppose to benefit the middle class? Since Bush cut taxes on all classes why do you now want to promote division and attack only one income class?
    Good luck getting an answer on that one. Catawba is the biggest supporter of class warfare and envy in this forum and that says a lot.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Are they not rewarded for the risk when they succeed? And are not their taxes lower if not non-existent if they fail? And don't we tax workers, who risk losing a job if that business fails?

    So, stop the class warfare stuff.
    Yes, do you have a problem with that? Why should the Govt. take any part of that money instead of allowing the individual that took the risk to spend it as they see fit?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Are they not rewarded for the risk when they succeed? And are not their taxes lower if not non-existent if they fail? And don't we tax workers, who risk losing a job if that business fails?
    Again, false premise. Workers losing a job is a loss of revenue source but his ability to generate revenue from another employer is not reduced. There are laws that require employers to PAY employees for labor worked, receiving revenue. There are no laws to protect investors revenue. If an investment is lost its lost WITHOUT the ability to generate revenue somewhere else, ESPECIALLY if a business fails.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Thank you for the effort. Now to reiterate, do these not sound like the antithesis of ‘while Conservatives motivate with fear’?

    Despite the Administration's rhetoric, airline cargo still goes uninspected, shipping containers go unscreened, and our railroads and power plants are not secure. Police officers and firefighters across America have pleaded for the tools they need to prevent or respond to an attack, but the Administration still hasn't delivered for our first responders.

    The greatest threats to our homeland security are the tons of biological, chemical, and even nuclear materials that are unaccounted for or unguarded. The President says the right words about the threat, but he has failed to take action commensurate with it.

    We can and we must keep the world's most gruesome weapons out of the world's most dangerous hands. Nothing is more important to our homeland security, and indeed to the safety of the world.

    For three years, the President has failed to put together a comprehensive plan to protect America from terrorism, and we did not hear one tonight.


    These are not examples of motivation by fear?
    First, I never said Democrats never did the same (never is a long time). But, what Democrats do, even in the quoted about, is give examples of what can be done to change things. Pointing out flaws doesn't equal created fear.

    Here's some of the Republican response.
    NBC Politics - Mitch Daniels' Republican response to State of the Union speech

    "On these evenings, Presidents naturally seek to find the sunny side of our national condition. But when President Obama claims that the state of our union is anything but grave, he must know in his heart that this is not true.

    "The President did not cause the economic and fiscal crises that continue in America tonight. But he was elected on a promise to fix them, and he cannot claim that the last three years have made things anything but worse: the percentage of Americans with a job is at the lowest in decades. One in five men of prime working age, and nearly half of all persons under 30, did not go to work today.

    "In three short years, an unprecedented explosion of spending, with borrowed money, has added trillions to an already unaffordable national debt. And yet, the President has put us on a course to make it radically worse in the years ahead. The federal government now spends one of every four dollars in the entire economy; it borrows one of every three dollars it spends. No nation, no entity, large or small, public or private, can thrive, or survive intact, with debts as huge as ours.

    "The President's grand experiment in trickle-down government has held back rather than sped economic recovery. He seems to sincerely believe we can build a middle class out of government jobs paid for with borrowed dollars. In fact, it works the other way: a government as big and bossy as this one is maintained on the backs of the middle class, and those who hope to join it.

    "Those punished most by the wrong turns of the last three years are those unemployed or underemployed tonight, and those so discouraged that they have abandoned the search for work altogether. And no one has been more tragically harmed than the young people of this country, the first generation in memory to face a future less promising than their parents did.

    "As Republicans our first concern is for those waiting tonight to begin or resume the climb up life's ladder. We do not accept that ours will ever be a nation of haves and have nots; we must always be a nation of haves and soon to haves.

    "In our economic stagnation and indebtedness, we are only a short distance behind Greece, Spain, and other European countries now facing economic catastrophe. But ours is a fortunate land. Because the world uses our dollar for trade, we have a short grace period to deal with our dangers. But time is running out, if we are to avoid the fate of Europe, and those once-great nations of history that fell from the position of world leadership.
    Is that not apocalyptic?

    So much of this is nonsense, I'm amazed no one has addressed it (he admits Obama didn't create the mess, but thing does right ahead and puts it all on him to resolve). But, this is the fearmongering the right uses to motivate it's loyal sheep.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    Just because someone makes a rebuttal doesn't mean they are right.

    If 51% of people polled believed that the media supported Obama vs 9% McCain that makes a pretty strong statement for liberal bias.
    Watched SOTU on PBS.com. The GOP response video had no audio. Sent PBS an email suggesting a name change to PBS Ltd.
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