State of the Union Address

Boo Radley · Jan 25, 2012

Conservative said:
If it doesn't matter that much, why do it?

It matters to revenue, but not to job creation. Sorry, but business does not hinge on tax rates. They opperate on supply and demand. I thought you were a businessman once?

Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Sure, just as soon as you figure out that Bush handed Obama an economy which lost nearly 4 million jobs in the first 6 months of 2009.

Most Americans understand the impact of that on Obama's numbers even though you can't as by a margin of almost 2 to 1, people still blame Bush over Obama for that mess.

So much for shovel ready jobs, right?

I posted the chart for employment, unemployment, private sector jobs and civilian labor force all worse than when Obama took office and the only reason the numbers show better is that a million people weren't counted as unemployed because the Obama economy discouraged them for staying in the labor force. Was Bush in charge in 2010 when the average was over 1 million a month? Let's take the discouraged workers for Bush add them to the unemployed number at its worst and compare that to the Obama discouraged plus unemployed. How do you think that will work out?

Sheik Yerbuti · Jan 25, 2012

Conservative said:
Doesn't seem that the chart coincides with the actual data probably because again you don't understand the chart which shows a ONE MONTH CHANGE in the numbers. Here is the actual private sector data

Holy ****, Con, I'm embarrassed for you. First of all, the chart I posted comes directly from the BLS and secondly, it was the chart you asked for. You get what you ask for and now you bitch about it???

upsideguy said:
Actually, he has proven himself quite competent... doing a decent job fixing the mess left by the last guy (see employment trends chart below). Not to mention, he is heads and shoulders above the clowns the opposition have put up. Given that they are playing the "B" team, its clear they conceded the election to set themselves up for 2016. Sit back, relax and enjoy 4 more years.

Conservative said:

You don't even know what that chart shows. Why don't you go to BLS and find that chart you referenced? Keep buying the liberal rhetoric which makes you look foolish.

Sheik Yerbuti said:

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

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Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

Boo Radley said:
It matters to revenue, but not to job creation. Sorry, but business does not hinge on tax rates. They opperate on supply and demand. I thought you were a businessman once?

It is insignificant and sends the wrong message in a private sector economy. How does raising taxes put 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans back to work

Sheik Yerbuti · Jan 25, 2012

Conservative said:
So much for shovel ready jobs, right?

I posted the chart for employment, unemployment, private sector jobs and civilian labor force all worse than when Obama took office and the only reason the numbers show better is that a million people weren't counted as unemployed because the Obama economy discouraged them for staying in the labor force. Was Bush in charge in 2010 when the average was over 1 million a month? Let's take the discouraged workers for Bush add them to the unemployed number at its worst and compare that to the Obama discouraged plus unemployed. How do you think that will work out?

And 4 million jobs lost in the first 6 months of 2009 which are directly attributable to Bush's Great Recession.

Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Holy ****, Con, I'm embarrassed for you. First of all, the chart I posted comes directly from the BLS and secondly, it was the chart you asked for. You get what you ask for and now you bitch about it???

Read the damn chart, it is a one month net change in jobs. You don't have a clue

Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
And 4 million jobs lost in the first 6 months of 2009 which are directly attributable to Bush's Great Recession.

Right, shovel ready jobs were supposed to take care of that. Of course you ignored my post which is normal for you.

Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
Holy ****, Con, I'm embarrassed for you. First of all, the chart I posted comes directly from the BLS and secondly, it was the chart you asked for. You get what you ask for and now you bitch about it???

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CES0500000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector: Total private
Industry: Total private
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
Years: 1980 to 2011

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 115610 115482 115395 115209 114969 114752 114487 114170 113736 113245 112458 111822
2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109170 109242 109462 109579 109719 109928

Catawba · Jan 25, 2012

upsideguy said:
It also cost between $1T (direct) and $3T (including indirect costs). Now we have late night debates on how to recover $1T from the deficit over 10 years. If only we had just not had this pointless war.

Yes, and we continue to spend $700 + billion a year on the military industrial complex, almost more than the rest of the world COMBINED, while we try to figure how many more of the poor and seniors we can throw to the street so we can increase the tax cuts for the rich who already own more of the wealth than at any time since the Great Depression.

We've really got it going on, don't we? Perhaps we should invade and occupy more countries to force them to live under our type of government!

pbrauer · Jan 25, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
And 4 million jobs lost in the first 6 months of 2009 which are directly attributable to Bush's Great Recession.

You are correct, there was no credit available during that period, its pretty tough to run a business with credit.

Sheik Yerbuti · Jan 25, 2012

Conservative said:
Reagan took a worse economy ...

As usual, you demonstrate that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

GDP -- the number one leading indicator of the economy ...

During the recession under Reagan: GDP drops 1.5%

Q2-1981: 5,952.7
Q4-1982: 5,866.0

During Bush's Great Recession: GDP drops 5.1%

Q4-2007: 13,326.0
Q2-2009: 12,641.3

TurtleDude · Jan 25, 2012

Conservative said:
It is insignificant and sends the wrong message in a private sector economy. How does raising taxes put 24 million unemployed/under employed Americans back to work

its not designed to. the only jobs Obama is trying to save with hiking taxes on the rich are his and his dem buddies in congress who can use tax hikes to convince the weakminded that this hike justifies more vote buying spending

Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

pbrauer said:
You are correct, there was no credit available during that period, its pretty tough to run a business with credit.

Just think how great the unemployment rate will be when you get another million or so discouraged workers aren't counted as unemployed? Guess it doesn't bother you and other liberals whose ideology trumps reality.

Sheik Yerbuti · Jan 25, 2012

pbrauer said:
You are correct, there was no credit available during that period, its pretty tough to run a business with credit.

And that was after Bush lost 4 million jobs before the 4 million lost in the first 6 months of 2009. The economy was in free fall. And then ...

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Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
As usual, you demonstrate that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

GDP -- the number one leading indicator of the economy ...

During the recession under Reagan: GDP drops 1.5%

Q2-1981: 5,952.7
Q4-1982: 5,866.0

During Bush's Great Recession: GDP drops 5.1%

Q4-2007: 13,326.0
Q2-2009: 12,641.3

Just goes to show what leadership will do to a private sector economy. In addition Reagan added 16.8 million jobs.

Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

Sheik Yerbuti said:
And that was after Bush lost 4 million jobs before the 4 million lost in the first 6 months of 2009. The economy was in free fall. And then ...

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CES0500000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector: Total private
Industry: Total private
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
Years: 1980 to 2011

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 115610 115482 115395 115209 114969 114752 114487 114170 113736 113245 112458 111822
2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109170 109242 109462 109579 109719 109928

All at a cost of 4.6 trillion added to the debt

pbrauer · Jan 25, 2012

Conservative said:
Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CES0500000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector: Total private
Industry: Total private
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
Years: 1980 to 2011

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 115610 115482 115395 115209 114969 114752 114487 114170 113736 113245 112458 111822
2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109170 109242 109462 109579 109719 109928

Here is a month to month change table that clearly shows the Great Bush Recession GBR[SUP]tm[/SUP]

Year	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec
2008	4	-128	-87	-186	-240	-217	-265	-317	-434	-491	-787	-636
2009	-841	-721	-787	-773	-326	-438	-287	-215	-213	-250	-34	-102
2010	-42	-21	144	229	48	65	93	110	109	143	128	167
2011	94	261	219	241	99	75	173	72	220	134	120	212

Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

pbrauer said:
Here is a month to month change table that clearly shows the Great Bush Recession GBR[SUP]tm[/SUP]

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2008 4 -128 -87 -186 -240 -217 -265 -317 -434 -491 -787 -636
2009 -841 -721 -787 -773 -326 -438 -287 -215 -213 -250 -34 -102
2010 -42 -21 144 229 48 65 93 110 109 143 128 167
2011 94 261 219 241 99 75 173 72 220 134 120 212

Monthly change? Do you understand what you are posting here vs what really matters. We have a positive change from the previous month but a net private sector job loss three years after taking office. That in the liberal world is a success. No wonder liberals are a failure in the private sector economy

pbrauer · Jan 25, 2012

Conservative said:
Just think how great the unemployment rate will be when you get another million or so discouraged workers aren't counted as unemployed? Guess it doesn't bother you and other liberals whose ideology trumps reality.

What was the unemployment rate when Obama took over, what is it now?

Catawba · Jan 25, 2012

TurtleDude said:
when half the country doesn't pay income taxes but has almost enough votes to continually vote up the rates of the rest, we have a real problem

the rest of your post is idiotic

You still dishonestly refuse to acknowledge that income taxes make up less than half of federal revenues. Only 14% of the country pay no federal taxes, and they are our poor seniors and the disabled.

Just what kind of party is it that would impose greater hardship on poor seniors and the disabled to further lower the taxes for the rich?

Sheik Yerbuti · Jan 25, 2012

Conservative said:
Right, shovel ready jobs were supposed to take care of that. Of course you ignored my post which is normal for you.

No, I didn't ignore it. I responded to it. See post #629

Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

pbrauer said:
What was the unemployment rate when Obama took over, what is it now?

Well, let's see, we had a 7.6% unemployment number and 10.6 trillion dollar debt. Today that is 8.5% with a 15.2 trillion dollar debt along with a declining labor force and more discouraged workers. That a success to you?

pbrauer · Jan 25, 2012

Conservative said:
Monthly change? Do you understand what you are posting here vs what really matters. We have a positive change from the previous month but a net private sector job loss three years after taking office. That in the liberal world is a success. No wonder liberals are a failure in the private sector economy

WTF the data is EXACTLY what you posted, only different view of it.

Conservative · Jan 25, 2012

pbrauer said:
WTF the data is EXACTLY what you posted, only different view of it.

No, the data I posted shows a net private sector job loss after three years of Obamanomics not the plus gains you are showing.

Sheik Yerbuti · Jan 25, 2012

Conservative said:
Read the damn chart, it is a one month net change in jobs. You don't have a clue

Again, that's what you asked for. You don't even know what you're talking about.

Look closely...

You asked for the BLS data which generated this graph of one month net changes in jobs...

So that's what I gave you and you can't stop bitching about it.

State of the Union Address

Boo Radley

Conservative

Sheik Yerbuti

Conservative

Sheik Yerbuti

Conservative

Conservative

Conservative

Catawba

Disappointed Evolutionist

pbrauer

Sheik Yerbuti

TurtleDude

warrior of the wetlands

Conservative

Sheik Yerbuti

Conservative

Conservative

pbrauer

Conservative

pbrauer

Catawba

Disappointed Evolutionist

Sheik Yerbuti

Conservative

pbrauer

Conservative

Sheik Yerbuti