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    Re: State of the Union Address

    The State of the Union address and the Republican response were perfect examples of the vast difference in ideologies between Liberals and Conservatives.

    Liberals inspire with hope, while Conservatives motivate with fear.

    That's why I'm a liberal. I refuse to be frightened into doing something like sheep. Obama gave us ideas for improving our union while Mitch Daniels told us the apocalyse is just around the corner, but can be averted if we do what Republicans tell us to do. Honestly, what did Mitch offer that wasn't proposed 30 years ago by Republicans? What did he offer that Bush didn't do while in office? That's why it's so easy to compare Republicans to Bush, they want to try the same things Bush did yet tell us to expect a different result.

    Obama gave me exactly what I needed to vote for him over the next Republican nominee.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by yobarnacle View Post
    What happened in 90s was a balanced budget!
    Yep, because we both cut spending and increased taxes on the rich.

    When we decide to get serious about reducing the deficit, that is exactly what will have to be done again.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It took 30 years of both spending too much and taxing the rich too little to get us into this mess. It will take the opposite to fix the mess.
    It's going to take 30 years (the opposite) to spend less and tax the rich more??? BOY, this debate is going to get very old. Unless I live to a VERY ripe old age I will DIE before this occurs.

    Since you seem so knowledgable on this about how high do you predict the debt to get before trending down?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    I like the whole "loyal opposition" thing. Sounds very Orwellian.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    ......... Liberals inspire with hope, while Conservatives motivate with fear.

    That's why I'm a liberal. I refuse to be frightened into doing something like sheep. Obama gave us ideas for improving our union while Mitch Daniels told us the apocalyse is just around the corner, but can be averted if we do what Republicans tell us to do. Honestly, what did Mitch offer that wasn't proposed 30 years ago by Republicans? What did he offer that Bush didn't do while in office? That's why it's so easy to compare Republicans to Bush, they want to try the same things Bush did yet tell us to expect a different result.

    Obama gave me exactly what I needed to vote for him over the next Republican nominee.
    Oh brother ... liberals "inspire" with hate and envy, and their "hope" is to get something paid for by someone else.

    30 years ago Ronald Reagan faced a huge mess courtesy Jimmy Carter. Reagan not only "inspired with hope", but more importantly, his policies made things much better, and he carried 49 states in his reelection which Obama now faces in 9 short months. Meanwhile, Obama's results still suck, and he won't be carrying 49 states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    It's going to take 30 years (the opposite) to spend less and tax the rich more??? BOY, this debate is going to get very old. Unless I live to a VERY ripe old age I will DIE before this occurs.

    Since you seem so knowledgable on this about how high do you predict the debt to get before trending down?
    Notice the word in bold in my previous statement.

    "It took 30 years of both spending too much and taxing the rich too little to get us into this mess."

    And as I also stated, it will take the opposite to fix it.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It could be given to a person.
    It could be inherited.
    It could be profits from other investments.
    It could be the result of an award from a lawsuit.
    It could be found money.


    The possibilities are as wide and varied as the number of people are.

    And so what if the money invested was earned as wages and taxed as such? That investment is not taxed "again". It is called CAPITAL GAINS for a reason - the idea being that you pay on the GAINS part of it.

    For something to be taxed AGAIN, that same money has first to be taxed once. And that is not the case here.

    You are using the term AGAIN in error.
    This is a game for you, isn't it. You know quite well but cannot admit it that most investment capital has already been taxed once and was earned. How many times should income be taxed in your world?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    The State of the Union address and the Republican response were perfect examples of the vast difference in ideologies between Liberals and Conservatives.

    Liberals inspire with hope, while Conservatives motivate with fear.

    That's why I'm a liberal. I refuse to be frightened into doing something like sheep. Obama gave us ideas for improving our union while Mitch Daniels told us the apocalyse is just around the corner, but can be averted if we do what Republicans tell us to do. Honestly, what did Mitch offer that wasn't proposed 30 years ago by Republicans? What did he offer that Bush didn't do while in office? That's why it's so easy to compare Republicans to Bush, they want to try the same things Bush did yet tell us to expect a different result.

    Obama gave me exactly what I needed to vote for him over the next Republican nominee.
    Believe what you will. I challenge you to go back 5-6 years and listen to a Bush SOTU speach and then Pelosi's responce and you will realize that both parties practice the same tactic its just that the role each plays is dependent on the power positions.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Notice the word in bold in my previous statement.

    "It took 30 years of both spending too much and taxing the rich too little to get us into this mess."

    And as I also stated, it will take the opposite to fix it.
    LOL ... "taxing the rich too little" ..... if you took every penny that the "rich" owned ... all of their assets ..... you might cover one year of deficit. One friggin year.

    And then what ?

    The Bush tax cuts for the "rich" reduced revenues by about $35 B per year. The Bush tax cuts for the middle class reduced revenues by about $300 B per year.

    And yet you are stuck on this mantra of class envy. Of "blaming the rich". Why ?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    The State of the Union speech was fruitless.

    Our fellow friends, neighbors, family members will let our nation decay into a state of chaos before they'll admit that they've been had by these Yahoos in Washington. Yep, sucked, scammed, conned into believing there is more than one America.

    Which America do you live in? The Conservative America? The Liberal America? The Centralist America? Have you started hating each other enough yet?

    Meanwhile...while you've been duped into hating each other...the assholes in Washington and their cronies are stealing all three Americas right out from under your noses.

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