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State of the Union Address

Boo Radley said:
Can I cut the military? How much?
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There isn't one department in our Federal government (state as well) that couldn't take a 10% haircut. Not one! Is that enough? $3.83 trillion. 10% cut across the board saves $383,000,000. Start there.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Single payer limits coverage choices, typically to whatever it decides is most cost efficient.
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How is that different from private insurance, except that the cost through a single payer system is half as expensive?

A single payers restricts access to newer, more effective, but more costly treatments or cures.
It has to, in order to keep costs in check. The thing is, when you do that, it delays the eventually drop in cost of those newer treatments and cures
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No, all the comparisons I have seen rate access greater to all citizens through a single payer system.
 
TurtleDude said:
either way, if the poor and middle class were subjected to tax hikes everytime the government spent more the mass of voters would start punishing big spenders (no matter what party)
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:applaud Egzakly!!!
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
No, it did not.

You never stop lying, do you?
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Then Tell the BEA they have the numbers wrong

Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product
[Billions of dollars]

Last Revised on: December 22, 2011 - Next Release Date January 27, 2012
Line 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
1 Gross domestic product 9,951.5 10,286.2 10,642.3 11,142.2 11,853.3 12,623.0 13,377.2 14,028.7 14,291.5
 
Boo Radley said:
True. And studies show taxes don't really hinder that. People buying is the major ingredient business needs to grow. If they have buyers, they will grow no matter what government does in the context of what tax increases we're speaking of. The small increases we speak of won't really matter at all.
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If it doesn't matter that much, why do it?
 
TurtleDude said:
feel free to try to put me there if that is what you want. but that sort of stupid comment doesn't alleviate your other comment's stupidity. its the dems who are increasing costs on productive people
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The poor don't make laws, TD. And if I'm too far off base, we've had hundreds of elected officials, including mucho bunches of so-called conservatives, over the past couple of hundred years...using the poor as an excuse to use the General Welfare Clause to appropriate unbelievable amounts of money...money taken from most all citizens in one way or another to continue to empower themselves...at our expense.

The poor pay 40 cents a gallon federal tax...just like you do...and I can name a lot of other ways that they pay. So put the blame where it belongs.

There's not a single conservative in government that gives a rats ass about you...or your money...unless, unless you believe their bull**** enough to contribute big bucks for them to continue their corruption and holding us all hostage in order to pay for their uncontrollable hunger for power.
 
Removable Mind said:
The poor don't make laws, TD. And if I'm too far off base, we've had hundreds of elected officials, including mucho bunches of so-called conservatives, over the past couple of hundred years...using the poor as an excuse to use the General Welfare Clause to appropriate unbelievable amounts of money...money taken from most all citizens in one way or another to continue to empower themselves...at our expense.

The poor pay 40 cents a gallon federal tax...just like you do...and I can name a lot of other ways that they pay. So put the blame where it belongs.

There's not a single conservative in government that gives a rats ass about you...or your money...unless, unless you believe their bull**** enough to contribute big bucks for them to continue their corruption and holding us all hostage in order to pay for their uncontrollable hunger for power.
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actually there is a US senator who takes my phone calls and a congressman too.

but the tax system is broken and that is the main point
 
TurtleDude said:
actually there is a US senator who takes my phone calls and a congressman too.

but the tax system is broken and that is the main point
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I feel blessed, TD...really. Yes, the tax laws are broken, but please be genuine about who broke them....and continues to break them.

Since you know da man...then do us all a favor...tell them if they want to continue to **** us all...at least appropriate enough to buy KY for all. I'm getting a little chapped myself.
 
Conservative said:
Then Tell the BEA they have the numbers wrong

Table 1.1.5. Gross Domestic Product
[Billions of dollars]

Last Revised on: December 22, 2011 - Next Release Date January 27, 2012
Line 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
1 Gross domestic product 9,951.5 10,286.2 10,642.3 11,142.2 11,853.3 12,623.0 13,377.2 14,028.7 14,291.5
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Hey would ya look at that?? These numbers don't match the last numbers you posted before.

Thank you for correcting your mistake.

Now if you could only stop lyng and post real numbers you'd demonstrate some progress.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Hey would ya look at that?? These numbers don't match the last numbers you posted before.

Thank you for correcting your mistake.

Now if you could only stop lyng and post real numbers you'd demonstrate some progress.
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Now if you only would stop calling any honest mistake a lie, you would almost be human and thus more credible. The 14.4 trillion was the orginal numbers before revisions and I did not change the numbers. 9.951 trillion to 14.291 trillion paints a much different picture of the Bush years than those with BDS like you would admit.
 
Conservative said:
Now if you only would stop calling any honest mistake a lie, you would almost be human and thus more credible. The 14.4 trillion was the orginal numbers before revisions and I did not change the numbers. 9.951 trillion to 14.291 trillion paints a much different picture of the Bush years than those with BDS like you would admit.
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How can that be an honest mistake? No one here posts BEA and BLS numbers more than you. One would expect you would at least post the actual numbers without being prodded into doing so.

That aside, you're also lying by referencing nominal figures and then claiming no one has increased GDP more -- as though nominal figures have any meaning when comparing over time.

They don't because they ignore inflation. Any honest person would post real GDP, but that apparently excludes you. Apparently, you possess no compunction of comparing 2008 dollars with dollars from other years as though they're equal.

:roll::roll::roll:

And here's why you refuse to honestly post real GDP ...

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Real GDP growth = 1,945.5
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
He also took us to war over WMD that weren't in Iraq. That cost America roughly another 5,000 lives.

The righties' idea of a "good president," though. :roll:
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It also cost between $1T (direct) and $3T (including indirect costs). Now we have late night debates on how to recover $1T from the deficit over 10 years. If only we had just not had this pointless war.
 
upsideguy said:
It also cost between $1T (direct) and $3T (including indirect costs). Now we have late night debates on how to recover $1T from the deficit over 10 years. If only we had just not had this pointless war.
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So because of your hatred for GW Bush and the war you would vote for an incompetent Community Organizer whose record is a disaster? Really is too bad as he seems like a very congenial individual who is just in without a clue how to manage anything or provide any kind of leadership other than divisive behavior and policies
 
MaggieD said:
Yeah, biggest lie so far: "Warren Buffett's secretary pays more taxes than Warren Buffett." Puke.
Second biggest: "I'm going to make sure that banks help people refinance their homes. They can save $3,000 a year through refinancing. Banks should be doing this to pay back the American people!!" Puke.

That's a paraphrase, by the way. Here's the full text: TRANSCRIPT State of the Union 2012: President Obama's Full Speech as Prepared for Delivery - ABC News
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Warren Buffett's Secretary Likely Makes Between $200,000 And $500,000/Year

Warren Buffet’s secretary, Debbie Bosanek, served as a stage prop for President Obama’s State of the Union speech. She was the President’s chief display of the alleged unfairness of our tax system – a little person paying a higher tax rate than her billionaire boss.

One has to wonder how many 'little' people who work as a Secretary earn this amount of money, not that many I would warrant.

However I am certain that this lady earns that which she receives in recompense from Warren Buffett!
 
Conservative said:
So because of your hatred for GW Bush and the war you would vote for an incompetent Community Organizer whose record is a disaster? Really is too bad as he seems like a very congenial individual who is just in without a clue how to manage anything or provide any kind of leadership other than divisive behavior and policies
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Actually, he has proven himself quite competent... doing a decent job fixing the mess left by the last guy (see employment trends chart below). Not to mention, he is heads and shoulders above the clowns the opposition have put up. Given that they are playing the "B" team, its clear they conceded the election to set themselves up for 2016. Sit back, relax and enjoy 4 more years.
 

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Free_Radical said:
You still do not understand.

The Treasury Securities in the SS "trust fund" are government liabilities, intragovernmental debt. The government owes money to itself.

Basically, the governemnt took the surplus revenues, spent them on other government programs, and then replaced them with promissory notes that can only be financed in three ways: Increasing tax revenues, reappropriating funds from other government programs, or borrowing money.

In 2000, the Clinton Administration's Office of Management and Budget explained why the "trust fund" is nothing more than a meaningless bookkeeping entry:



Please tell me you understand now.

Brian
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"The existence of large trust fund balances, therefore, does not, by itself, have any impact on the Government's ability to pay benefits."

I think that about covers it, thanks for the clarification.
The U.S. Govts. word is as good as gold and always will be. A truly "exceptional" nation could have it no other way.
 
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upsideguy;1060145743]Actually, he has proven himself quite competent... doing a decent job fixing the mess left by the last guy (see employment trends chart below). Not to mention, he is heads and shoulders above the clowns the opposition have put up. Given that they are playing the "B" team, its clear they conceded the election to set themselves up for 2016. Sit back, relax and enjoy 4 more years
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You don't even know what that chart shows. Why don't you go to BLS and find that chart you referenced? Keep buying the liberal rhetoric which makes you look foolish.
 
That elevator was plummeting when this President stepped aboard and turned it upward again. It takes time to arrest a fall that rapid.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yea man, no one wants to pay more for anything.
That's why responsible and mindful adults should be in control of the process.

They should pay more because they cost the system a lot of money.
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So all the GOP has to do to convince seniors (the only demographic they carried in the last presidential election) to vote for them because the GOP will reduce their health care benefits so as to provide for even larger tax cuts for the rich?

We'll see how that plays out for them! :lamo
 
Removable Mind said:
I feel blessed, TD...really. Yes, the tax laws are broken, but please be genuine about who broke them....and continues to break them.

Since you know da man...then do us all a favor...tell them if they want to continue to **** us all...at least appropriate enough to buy KY for all. I'm getting a little chapped myself.
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when half the country doesn't pay income taxes but has almost enough votes to continually vote up the rates of the rest, we have a real problem

the rest of your post is idiotic
 
Manc Skipper said:
That elevator was plummeting when this President stepped aboard and turned it upward again. It takes time to arrest a fall that rapid.
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Yeah, right, but only because a liberal doesn't understand leadership and how to motivate a private sector economy. Reagan took a worse economy and turned it around in two years. It has been three years and the numbers are worse than when he took office.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
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Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
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Doesn't seem that the chart coincides with the actual data probably because again you don't understand the chart which shows a ONE MONTH CHANGE in the numbers. Here is the actual private sector data

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CES0500000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector: Total private
Industry: Total private
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS
Years: 1980 to 2011

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

2009 110981 110260 109473 108700 108374 107936 107649 107434 107221 106971 106937 106835
2010 106793 106772 106916 107145 107193 107258 107351 107461 107570 107713 107841 108008
2011 108102 108363 108582 108823 108922 108997 109170 109242 109462 109579 109719 109928
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Conservative said:
Let me know when we have more private sector jobs than we had when Obama took office and then when the recession started?
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Sure, just as soon as you figure out that Bush handed Obama an economy which lost nearly 4 million jobs in the first 6 months of 2009.

Most Americans understand the impact of that on Obama's numbers even though you can't as by a margin of almost 2 to 1, people still blame Bush over Obama for that mess.
 
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