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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    I say again....

    "Thank God for the unbiased news of MSNBC/NBC, ABC and CNN."
    The actual news for all is essentially the same. The political entertainers, of which Fox and MSNBC have the most, shall we say BIASED, are paid to have a point of view and spew opinions, the more radical and outrageous the better. They work to serve their audiences the affirmation they desire. God bless 'em!


    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    I think liberals hate Fox for having hate audacity of not being liberal like the rest of the news.

    I suppose the fact that they have higher viewership than the other channels supports argument that they are more in sync with the views of the average American.
    Not necessarily. Being popular does not necessarily equate to being mainstream. The most watched television program in America these days is American Idol. You think the average American tunes into that **** every week?

    FWIW I think most broadcast news is BS, but that's just me. Also cable news is the armpit of American journalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Not necessarily. Being popular does not necessarily equate to being mainstream. The most watched television program in America these days is American Idol. You think the average American tunes into that **** every week?

    FWIW I think most broadcast news is BS, but that's just me. Also cable news is the armpit of American journalism.
    In addition, the viewership of the network news shows dwarfs the viewership of the cable news shows, including Fox's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Still campaigning against Bush? I'll let you in on a little secret....Bush is not in the White House anymore....and he's not running for president this year.
    I let you in on a secret too. We will never forget what Bush did to this country. It is going to be alot of years before ANY Republican Pres. sets foot in the Whitehouse again. We don't want to be attacked again or spend trillions on personal vendettas like the iraq invasion either.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I let you in on a secret too. We will never forget what Bush did to this country. It is going to be alot of years before ANY Republican Pres. sets foot in the Whitehouse again. We don't want to be attacked again or spend trillions on personal vendettas like the iraq invasion either.
    I think it is very sad to have so much invested in ignorance and media spin. the actual results show a different picture but like far too many you have so much invested in hatred of Bush based upon misinformation that you are blinded by that false information. I suggest going to bls.gov, bea.gov, and U.S. Treasury for the right information.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I let you in on a secret too. We will never forget what Bush did to this country. It is going to be alot of years before ANY Republican Pres. sets foot in the Whitehouse again. We don't want to be attacked again or spend trillions on personal vendettas like the iraq invasion either.
    LOL ...... just like you kept those GOP "jackboots" out of the House in 2010 ............

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    MSNBC is clearly liberal. I don't think they suggest that they aren't. That's the difference. CBS, ABC, NBC, and CNN are somewhere in the middle.
    All of them are revenue producers, and that is their bias. They serve the corporate bottom line. There was a time when the news was news, now the best description is infotainment. And make sure you buy Viagra or Cialis.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I just have to ask, if we accept what you agree is true and what you say isn't true, isn't it still a problem? Something few will see as fair?
    Boo, the President made two claims re Buffett and his secretary.

    Right now, Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary.
    Now, you can call this class warfare all you want. But asking a billionaire to pay at least as much as his secretary in taxes?
    The second statement was blatantly false. It wasn't a mis-speak. It was in his text. It was intentional. And it was a pants-on-fire lie. To use "class warfare" in the same statement is ironic, because that's what this lie was reinforcing.

    I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, so I'll just say this: I think our tax code is a whore's nightmare of injustice. Profitable corporations work the system and pay no corporate income tax. People like Warren Buffett get to take paultry salaries in order to avoid higher payroll taxes. (Buffett's salary as the CEO of the third largest company in the world? $100,000) Hedge fund managers' compensation is allowed to be taxed at capital gains rates instead of salary. People owning two $5 million homes are allowed to deduct mortgage interest from their gross income. And even more homes if they can show that they used the mortgage money in their business. (Since money is fungible, that's not hard to show.) The IRS settles tax delinquencies at 10-cents on the dollar encouraging people not to pay their taxes and wait for a settlement. Our own Timothy Geitner, for heaven's sake. Tom Daschel. Staffers in both the House and Senate in Washington own millions in back taxes. Federal employees owe almost $1 billion in back taxes. Small (meaning mom-and-pop) to medium corporations set up in the Subchapter S mode and take minimal salaries -- like $25,000 -- and then take the rest as dividends to avoid payroll taxes. Heck, a lot of realtors do this so they can take their social security benefits unfettered.

    We are a mess.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    What's a "moderate conservative"? Aren't those two mutually exclusive?
    Unlike extreme and liberal, no they aren't. A moderate is a Romney or McCain type. A REAL conservative is a Marco Rubio.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Boo, the President made two claims re Buffett and his secretary.





    The second statement was blatantly false. It wasn't a mis-speak. It was in his text. It was intentional. And it was a pants-on-fire lie. To use "class warfare" in the same statement is ironic, because that's what this lie was reinforcing.

    I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, so I'll just say this: I think our tax code is a whore's nightmare of injustice. Profitable corporations work the system and pay no corporate income tax. People like Warren Buffett get to take paultry salaries in order to avoid higher payroll taxes. (Buffett's salary as the CEO of the third largest company in the world? $100,000) Hedge fund managers' compensation is allowed to be taxed at capital gains rates instead of salary. People owning two $5 million homes are allowed to deduct mortgage interest from their gross income. And even more homes if they can show that they used the mortgage money in their business. (Since money is fungible, that's not hard to show.) The IRS settles tax delinquencies at 10-cents on the dollar encouraging people not to pay their taxes and wait for a settlement. Our own Timothy Geitner, for heaven's sake. Tom Daschel. Staffers in both the House and Senate in Washington own millions in back taxes. Federal employees owe almost $1 billion in back taxes. Small (meaning mom-and-pop) to medium corporations set up in the Subchapter S mode and take minimal salaries -- like $25,000 -- and then take the rest as dividends to avoid payroll taxes. Heck, a lot of realtors do this so they can take their social security benefits unfettered.

    We are a mess.
    I think we know that we're talking about paying a higher rate and not that she pays more in actual dollars. The fact that she pays a lower rate is a problem, and largely unfair. As this is true (isn't it), shouldn't we focus on that?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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