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    Re: State of the Union Address

    My opinion? The whole thing reaked of campaigning for me. Half expected him to burst into another Al Green song half way through, just for giggles. My idea of what a SOTU speech should be is so far removed from the speeches I've seen, and that's disappointing. Last year, I thought he did a really good job with his speech, even if it was more "follow me" and less "here's where we're at, here's how we move forward". I particularly enjoyed last years portion regarding education.

    This year, though...If I'm honest? He came across as fake. His business proposal to bring companies back to the U.S. is essentially a mimic of the model Texas uses to attract businesses moving from other states....and it won't work on a national/international scale because we just can't compete on labor.

    Then he discusses an energy policy that is half dem-centric and half con-centric, but proposes it as if nobody on the right has ever tried to do exactly what he's suggesting (from the con-centric side, that is).

    His coverage of education was weak, and his "community college --> 'career center'" idea disturbs me. We already have tech/trade schools. We already have tech/trade degree programs at comm college. Turning these schools into "career centers" would likely eliminate the two-year-then-transfer model many students use to save money on college by distorting course offerings so that they more closely mimic tech/trade schools. I DID agree with him on "teaching to the test" but his "solution" was nothing but a list of vague platitudes. And what about a progress report on the system implemented to replace/modify NCLB? I didn't hear much on that.

    He proposed some interesting legislation, some things I'm sure both of the parties could come together on....but then he wants to throw the legislature under the bus on the SS tax cut extension, completely ignoring that the very real chance at a 1-year extension was shat upon and dismissed in favor of a 2-month stop gap over some very paltry issues....and that failure is bi-partisan, IMO.

    Overall, I felt like I was listening to a stump speech in a swing state, and I don't like that. I don't want you making promises and stroking your ego. I want to know what's been done, what you think we (the country, not you) need to do more, and how you're working with the rest of govt. to get it done. The "I will", "I did", "I want", "I signed" approach grates on me. He may be the biggest cog in the machine, but he's still one cog. If we're expecting an atmosphere of mutual contribution and bipartisanship it can't be about the president's accomplishments or desires.

    And because it'll come up: Yes, I'd say the exact same things about the format/delivery if it were a republican president. This isn't about Obama's affiliation, it's about his presentation.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It was private lenders, private credit ratings firms, and private derivatives traders who caused this blow up -- not the government. It could have been prevented with effective government regulation, but regs were either not enforced, repealed, or blocked by members of both parties.
    Oh, now that's just too funny.

    Do you really believe that? Really, you can't.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It was private lenders, private credit ratings firms, and private derivatives traders who caused this blow up -- not the government. It could have been prevented with effective government regulation, but regs were either not enforced, repealed, or blocked by members of both parties.
    Bull****. It was an inflationary bubble, started by government. The crazy loans did not start until the bubble was well in place, as it was the bubble which enabled the added risk. Fannie and Freddie started the bubble, then kept it growing, eventually changing their own rules so that they could keep up with private money.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Oh, now that's just too funny.

    Do you really believe that? Really, you can't.
    Its the liberal fairytale story line, and they hold onto it as tightly as they do their Obama blanket.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It amazes me that people are so partisan that they won't even watch the SOTU speech. As much as I disagreed with Bush, I never missed one of his SOTU addresses.
    It has little to do with partisanship, and much to do with predictability. SOTU speeches are highly symbolic and chock full of showmanship. I don't care what the president has to say. I care what he does. Obama is very predictable to be divisive and use the class warfare tactic. I find that personally distasteful, and I don't put much stock in anything he says.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    You are like a lighthouse in the fog of partisanship and opinion. Guide me to shore baby.... guide me home to facts and analysis...

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Want to bet how the fact check comes out on this?
    Do you understand investment capital? Where did that investment capital come from? How many times would you like to see your income taxed?

    As for the speech, someone here please tell me what "Economic Equality" is and how the govt. gets people who don't want to work, won't work, abuse the system to have economic equality? Is that really the role of the govt. to generate equal outcome?

    From what I have heard and I didn't watch the speech nor did I watch the rebuttal because I doubt my TV would withstand the shoe going through the screen due to the lies and distortions this speech was more red meat to liberals and yet more rhetoric lacking substance or focus on actual results. Why anyone continues to believe Obama is beyond comprehension.

    Some of the speech fact checked

    FACT CHECK: Obama's 2012 State Of The Union | Fox News

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Still waiting for the full text of the rebutal by Mr. Daniels.





    FULL TEXT: Republican Address to the Nation | Speaker of the House John Boehner | speaker.gov
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Still waiting for the full text of the rebutal by Mr. Daniels.

    FULL TEXT: Republican Address to the Nation | Speaker of the House John Boehner | speaker.gov
    Its up on the first page

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