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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    Let's talk about defense spending. It was 46.9% of the budget in 1962, and 19.3% in 2010. That's 59% less, and people still think it should be cut even more. Social Security (off-budget) was 13.4% in 1962, and 19.8% in 2010. That's 48% more, and no one wants to touch that.
    percentage of the total spending is a ridiculous way to demonstrate a lack of growth.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    Let's talk about defense spending. It was 46.9% of the budget in 1962, and 19.3% in 2010. That's 59% less, and people still think it should be cut even more. Social Security (off-budget) was 13.4% in 1962, and 19.8% in 2010. That's 48% more, and no one wants to touch that.


    Much expense of our optional wars was not on budget, that together with our military spending that was almost as much as the rest of the world combined, was the source of much of our debt. SS on the other hand has not added one dime to our debt.


    That is the difference.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Much of the war on terror was not on budget, that and our military spending that was almost as much as the rest of the world combined, was the source of much of our debt. SS on the other hand has not added one dime to our debt.


    That is the difference.
    Whether it was in the budget or not is irrelevant as it is part of the debt and shown on bea.gov under expenses. You continue to make up information as you go along to suit your leftwing agenda, all false and complete distortions.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

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    Fail. That does nothing to reduce costs for health care. It just reduces health care.
    The only way to reduce health care, other than govt supplement (which doesn't reduce the cost, just hides it) is to reduce frivolous lawsuits. That's what drove healthcare up, that's what caused over-testing, and that's what caused horrendous liability insurance for doctors and health care facilities.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The only way to reduce health care, other than govt supplement (which doesn't reduce the cost, just hides it) is to reduce frivolous lawsuits. That's what drove healthcare up, that's what caused over-testing, and that's what caused horrendous liability insurance for doctors and health care facilities.
    If that's true, why haven't health care costs fallen in the many states that have enacted tort reform? Why are health care costs in those states rising just as fast as they are in states that haven't enacted tort reform?

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The only way to reduce health care, other than govt supplement (which doesn't reduce the cost, just hides it) is to reduce frivolous lawsuits. That's what drove healthcare up, that's what caused over-testing, and that's what caused horrendous liability insurance for doctors and health care facilities.
    The only way??? I've seen no proof of this. I would be interested in looking at the statistics of the decrease in health care costs in states that have banned frivolous lawsuits. I believe SC and Texas have, are there others?

    What has had most success in every other industrialized country on the planet is UHC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The only way??? I've seen no proof of this. I would be interested in looking at the statistics of the decrease in health care costs in states that have banned frivolous lawsuits. I believe SC and Texas have, are there others?

    What has had most success in every other industrialized country on the planet is UHC.
    I forget the exact number, but about half the states have enacted some form or another of tort reform. What seems to happen is that insurers do save some money, and doctors save some money in the form of lower insurance costs, but they do not pass the savings on to consumers, so health care costs see little or no effect. It just makes the doctors and insurance companies richer.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I forget the exact number, but about half the states have enacted some form or another of tort reform. What seems to happen is that insurers do save some money, and doctors save some money in the form of lower insurance costs, but they do not pass the savings on to consumers, so health care costs see little or no effect. It just makes the doctors and insurance companies richer.
    Just as I suspected. Another of our hard lessons that will eventually bring about UHC, as the only realistic alternative to the most expensive health care system in the world.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Much expense of our optional wars was not on budget, that together with our military spending that was almost as much as the rest of the world combined, was the source of much of our debt. SS on the other hand has not added one dime to our debt.


    That is the difference.
    That's bull****, it's all tax dollars. It's about what you want to spend it on, don't try to complicate it as the politicians do. As a percentage defense has decreased while social security has increased.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

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    percentage of the total spending is a ridiculous way to demonstrate a lack of growth.

    It's a demonstration of priorities. Liberalism has won the day since 1962, but they're not satisfied.
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