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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nothing but pretending its the moral high ground over someone who is tired of paying too much taxes is specious

    he derives benefits from his dem masters winning elections and he pretends that is some sort of noble cause that trumps others objecting to paying more taxes so his Dem masters can use that to buy votes
    Allow the HE in your post to speak for himself:

    1- I have no masters. It reeks of masters and slaves or serfs and I suspect that is your intent in using such a schoolyard slur. For you to continue to use that after being informed will be taken as a provocation and your intention ot be less than intellectually honest. That is insulting when you use that term and it is taken as an intentional slur and insult against me. I have asked you before to restrain yourself and refrain from using it. Please do that.

    2 - I have repeatedly told you that I do NOT decide issues of policy by what my personal gain is. Some here do. You obviously do as your own words repeated by me show that you do. I do not support the sun shining because it shines on my ass. Look how I have openly and repeatedly advocated ALL Americans paying at least five points more in federal income tax. That includes me. I do NOT decide things based on my own personal gain so your whining about my job of past union affiliations is absolutely inane and ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I don't think you understand how corporations work in legal terms. Shareholders are completely separate from the corporation.

    That's the cost of having the benefits and personal legal protection corporations provide.
    I think you are wrong in making that judgment. I believe there is 100% complete and total understanding of the legal distinction between the two. What there is not is acceptance of that reality over a personal belief system which places the highest and ultimate priority on personal gain over everything else - the law and reality included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    To the contrary. When we had a more progressive tax code we had lower deficits, and for a time, even a surplus. It was only after Reagan flattened tax rates that our deficits and debt began to explode.
    While I agree there were times that the MARGINAL tax rates were more progressive the EFFECTIVE tax rates have not historically changed much, at least back to 1979 which is as far back as I have found credible data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I have to leave the board on that one, I just laugh-snarfed mountain dew all over my trousers and have to go change
    I believe you. I have little doubt, based on the countless posts you have made where you place your own personal selfish needs and wants above those of the American people, that you would have that reaction to someone whose position is based on what is good for all the American people and the nation we love. Your reaction would have been exactly what I would have predicted it would be. In fact, it is a tribute to your abilities of physical control that there was not an additional eruption of fluids from other openings as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What there is not is acceptance of that reality over a personal belief system which places the highest and ultimate priority on personal gain over everything else - the law and reality included.
    You are profoundly correct with this statement. Those espousing ‘fair’ and ‘tax the rich’ are equally placing the ultimately priority on THEIR personal gain over anything else.

    Thank you for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    You are profoundly correct with this statement. Those espousing ‘fair’ and ‘tax the rich’ are equally placing the ultimately priority on THEIR personal gain on anything else.

    Thank you for that.
    Perhaps some are. That is not true for my own position. I have repeatedly stated that I favor ALL Americans who earn as little as dollar one having their tax rate raised a full five points. And that includes me.
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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Perhaps some are. That is not true for my own position. I have repeatedly stated that I favor ALL Americans who earn as little as dollar one having their tax rate raised a full five points. And that includes me.
    Yes, I am aware of that and honor you position on this. But you seem to disrespect other's.

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    Re: State of the Union Address

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That clearly would not be you Turtle since you repeatedly seem ignorant to the fact that a corporation is a legal entity with its own separate legal obligations including taxes. A shareholder who gets dividends from owning that share or shares is a whole different entity with their own legal obligations of taxation. This is been explained to you over and over and over in thread after thread after thread by poster after poster after poster and you simply ignore it and skate on by with blinders on your eyes.

    Again, for at least the tenth time from the Wikipedia article on CORPORATIONS - in fact the opening lines

    Not that this is going to do any good.
    You really do lose credibility when you argue that dividends are not taxed twice, for they are. You can argue that it doesn't make any difference to you, that it should be that way, but reality is reality. I would argue that there are few (if any...can't think of any) expenditures a business makes in the course of its business that aren't tax deductible. And their being tax deductible is what triggers tax on the receiving end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You really do lose credibility when you argue that dividends are not taxed twice, for they are. You can argue that it doesn't make any difference to you, that it should be that way, but reality is reality. I would argue that there are few (if any...can't think of any) expenditures a business makes in the course of its business that aren't tax deductible. And their being tax deductible is what triggers tax on the receiving end.
    Who is it that is paying taxes twice on this money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Yes, I am aware of that and honor you position on this. But you seem to disrespect other's.
    Who am I disrespecting? If somebody wants to take the position that they want all the money that they can get and are willing to embrace a large variety of contradictory positions on different tax schemes to obtain a tax cut - that is their right. And it is mine to point that out. How is that disrespecting anyone? It simply accepting their position and exposing it for what it is.
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