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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You're right! I give 2 ****s if two men want to get married and I give 2 ****s on any state that accepts it

    The "nor do you stand to lose anything" bit does concern me...

    1 - For the record I'm opposed special rights for anyone.
    Nobody is asking for special rights.

    2 - The national agenda of the homosexual lobby is less about "equal" rights for folks of different sexual orientation than then it is about securing protected status over heterosexuals ...And that amounts to "better" rights, not "equal" rights under the law. A latent effect of this is the creation of a legal environment where NO ONE IS ALLOWED to debate their social agenda ("hate speech" laws).
    Complete nonsense. None of these sentences accurately portray reality. Same-sex marriage is not granting some "better" rights than what you have. And let's say for the sake of argument that you're right (YOU AREN'T), are you seriously saying that because the "homosexual lobby" wants "better" rights, they should therefore be denied equal rights? It can't be true. It's too stupid to be true.

    P.S. Marriage and hate speech laws are not the same thing.

    3 - The real problem that no one wants to talk about is the fact that the gay efficacy groups don't only want access to marriage and every other advantage of being heterosexual, they want the world to like and accept them also. Unfortunately for them, no matter how much money gays have or how good at paperwork they are, there are always going to be people (including our buddies from Islam) that disapprove of homosexuality
    What the **** does that have to do with anything? Yes, people want to be accepted. You don't want to accept them, that's your deal, but in what ridiculous universe is that grounds to deny someone basic civil rights?

    Hell, say all three of those points you propose are accurate: you still do not lose anything by allowing same-sex marriage.
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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

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    Since when, has logic been an important aspect of religious thought?

    I'm not going to degenerate into why you don't like religion and think it's tyranny, or bad Christians or bad Christian influenced laws. Individuals and individual examples are immaterial to the large number effect on society.

    Step away from your own experiences and beliefs and take a look at the big picture. We're talking millions of people here and how they interact in general. You don't have to agree with the theology, but you should be able to agree that if a religion teaches that murder is wrong and that God will punish a murderer, and for that reason the murder rate is half the rate of a totally secular society, then religion has had a positive effect on societal morality.

    And I'll also repeat this point. A very large segment of the human population moderates their behavior and doesn't cheat, steal, rape, rob, murder, etc. only because of fear. Fear of ridicule or prison, fines or death. Or, fear that even if no one catches them, their God will see it and punish them. Some people do what is right just because they believe it to be right. Without fear of punishment if they do wrong. They are the minority.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    but you should be able to agree that if a religion teaches that murder is wrong and that God will punish a murderer, and for that reason the murder rate is half the rate of a totally secular society, then religion has had a positive effect on societal morality.
    Thing is though, it isn't. All the studies I've seen so far show that the more secular a country is the lower its crime rates, even on state level in the U.S.


    Do you have any evidence for that?

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    1 - For the record I'm opposed special rights for anyone.
    It's not special rights. If SSM is passed YOU yourself could marry someone of the same sex. How is that a special right when you can use it to?

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by L0neW0lf View Post
    Thing is though, it isn't. All the studies I've seen so far show that the more secular a country is the lower its crime rates, even on state level in the U.S.


    Do you have any evidence for that?
    I think you're missing the point completely....


    You simply can't control people effectively with only government rules. If Stalin couldn't get it done, I doubt it will happen in any sort of "free" society. A social "soft control" put on that particular negative behavior. A sense of shame. And since that "soft control" has been removed by the same secular "get away with what you can as long as it's not illegal" attitude that's now the rule in America, it turns out that behavior has become increasingly common.


    However, if you have everyone more or less on the same sheet of music as far as their behavior goes, and Christianity probably has this figured out better than anyone else ...then you have a chance of a society that doesn't have make a court case of every tiny bit of social dysfunction.






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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Speaking of DADT I wonder if Tigger no longer supports our military and the individuals that serve in it?
    Let's just say that I would no longer suggest that any member of my family join the US Military. That does not mean that I will not support the individuals in the US Military. I actually suppor the repeal of DADT.... I think that everyone SHOULD be asked, and those of low moral character refused the opportunity to serve.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

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    We do not live in a theocracy, hazlnut. Remember...its, the government of the United States (of the People, by the People and for the People)
    Is it not a matter for the states?
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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I think that everyone SHOULD be asked, and those of low moral character refused the opportunity to serve.
    Umm even by your own admission Tigger, you have said there are only a HANDFUL of people that would meet your expectations of "moral". If you had your wish we would have a military that included maybe 10 people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Let's just say that I would no longer suggest that any member of my family join the US Military. That does not mean that I will not support the individuals in the US Military. I actually suppor the repeal of DADT.... I think that everyone SHOULD be asked, and those of low moral character refused the opportunity to serve.
    You are so damned offensive. And it makes me laugh every time.
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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Let's just say that I would no longer suggest that any member of my family join the US Military. That does not mean that I will not support the individuals in the US Military. I actually suppor the repeal of DADT.... I think that everyone SHOULD be asked, and those of low moral character refused the opportunity to serve.
    There are a couple gays serving openly in my Company. It's not an issue. Like, at all. We don't care. We shower with gays, eat with gays, bunk with gays...it's not a problem. Women, however, are a problem, but that's a rant for another thread. The presence of gays does not disrupt "good order and discipline". They don't request special treatment, they don't hit on guys all the time...nothing like that. They're just normal folks who shoot-move-communicate just like the rest of us. Where pro-ssm gets it wrong is that the military is not a social experiment because military society is not like civilian society. DADT is about assets serving national security, not equal rights; not even employment equality because the military can bypass that as well (women in the infantry, for example).

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