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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'd love to hear what Navy Pride has to say about this......
    Why? It's the same broken record with him.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Why? It's the same broken record with him.
    Not quite. I remember how back in the day he bragged how he would be the first to support it if the troops were fine with repealing DADT and Congress repealed it. Then when it was repealed he began ranting how wrong they all were and how the gays would form daisy chains and all hell was going to break loose. Fun times.
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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    The 14th amendment has also been ruled to incorporate the bill of rights into the states.

    States rights are less important than my rights.
    This is absolutely correct. The rights of the individual supercede the rights of the states in most cases. The question is one of perameters, as I stated earlier, and what your rights actually are and what they are not... because when something is an unalienable right for one individual, it has an affect on other individuals. There is some duty to ensure that the granting a new right (by interpreting the constitution, case law, or other precedent to expressly include it.. or by passing altogether new legislation) does not violate the rights of another. This is why I believe the requirements of state issued marriage licenses are better left to the states. There is no such thing as a federal marriage. The states issue the licenses and the states should determine whether they wish to offer them at all, and if so, to whom. It is not a federal issue. The fewer federal laws, the better. Kudos to Washington State. This is the way it should be done.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    This is absolutely correct. The rights of the individual supercede the rights of the states in most cases. The question is one of perameters, as I stated earlier, and what your rights actually are and what they are not... because when something is an unalienable right for one individual, it has an affect on other individuals. There is some duty to ensure that the granting a new right (by interpreting the constitution, case law, or other precedent to expressly include it.. or by passing altogether new legislation) does not violate the rights of another. This is why I believe the requirements of state issued marriage licenses are better left to the states. There is no such thing as a federal marriage. The states issue the licenses and the states should determine whether they wish to offer them at all, and if so, to whom. It is not a federal issue. The fewer federal laws, the better. Kudos to Washington State. This is the way it should be done.
    So you would be for striking DOMA down, correct?

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So you would be for striking DOMA down, correct?
    Absolutely.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Not quite. I remember how back in the day he bragged how he would be the first to support it if the troops were fine with repealing DADT and Congress repealed it. Then when it was repealed he began ranting how wrong they all were and how the gays would form daisy chains and all hell was going to break loose. Fun times.
    Speaking of DADT I wonder if Tigger no longer supports our military and the individuals that serve in it?

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Why? It's the same broken record with him.
    I know....but it would be fun watching his head explode over this.
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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The values of the founding fathers were to have child labor, slavery, blacks not being able to vote, women not being able to vote and treated like property, etc. The morals of the time were to treat blacks and women as property. Are you saying you are for all those things?
    Most of them. I am against slavery and voting based on race. Child labor, when necessary isn't the end of the world in my mind. I have no interest in women voting or working outside the home except in a limited fashion.

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    I view your inability to tolerate the freedoms that other people deserve to be the "improper act". Why do you let what other people do have so much power over you? What are your thoughts on mixed-race marriages? Moral or immoral? What about marriages between people of different religions? Say a Catholic and a Jew? Moral or immoral? Isn't sex out of wedlock a bigger moral issue than sex within wedlock?
    In this day and age it is almost impossible to live in a bubble. Other people have an influence on our lives whether we want them to or not. When you hold more traditional or old fashioned values that occurs even more often. I have no problem with mixed race marriage. I probably wouldn't do it myself, but I have no issue with it. Religion is a non-issue for me in all venues. Casual sex is a major issue in my mind; though I have no serious issue with heterosexual intercourse inside a committed relationship even before marriage.


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    By living in America, paying taxes, buying things here and paying sales tax, etc. you are supporting the TOLERANCE that America offers.
    Which is why I am regularly seeking alternatives to staying here in the United States.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post

    You have absolutely nothing to gain by preventing two men from getting married, nor do you stand to lose anything if they do get married.
    You're right! I give 2 ****s if two men want to get married and I give 2 ****s on any state that accepts it

    The "nor do you stand to lose anything" bit does concern me...

    1 - For the record I'm opposed special rights for anyone.

    2 - The national agenda of the homosexual lobby is less about "equal" rights for folks of different sexual orientation than then it is about securing protected status over heterosexuals ...And that amounts to "better" rights, not "equal" rights under the law. A latent effect of this is the creation of a legal environment where NO ONE IS ALLOWED to debate their social agenda ("hate speech" laws).

    3 - The real problem that no one wants to talk about is the fact that the gay efficacy groups don't only want access to marriage and every other advantage of being heterosexual, they want the world to like and accept them also. Unfortunately for them, no matter how much money gays have or how good at paperwork they are, there are always going to be people (including our buddies from Islam) that disapprove of homosexuality

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Legal marriage =/= religious marriage.

    And even if it was, what of religious gay people? Should their religious freedom be compromised? What religion should be used to dictate how legal marriage runs?

    Seriously, this argument lacks any sort of logic.
    Since when, has logic been an important aspect of religious thought?

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