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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I would ask how.
    I do know that you cannot live two lifestyles in the military and that open homosexuality as a life style is incompatible with military service.

    Open homosexuality does not change just DADT. Once that happens they will have to change DOMA, allow marriage and let them move into housing. And THAT will cause problems.

    There is no good reason to do this and every reason not to. Service in the US military is not a right. Every country that has allowed it is a shell of their former military selves if they were ever any good at all. Open homosexuality is not the cause, it's a symptom. But it is real.

    It is much like the females. We kid ourselves. We say "They are fully integrated, they're just as good, it's ok." In some cases it is close to the truth. There are some very good female soldiers. No matter how good they are, they aren't the same. And we don't do different well.

    Black soldiers are no more "fully integrated" now than they were 30 years ago. Anyone that believes there isn't racism in the Army is a fool. And not just a bit. And not just one way.

    The Army is falling apart and this will do nothing but hasten the problem.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Black soldiers are no more "fully integrated" now than they were 30 years ago. Anyone that believes there isn't racism in the Army is a fool. And not just a bit. And not just one way.

    The Army is falling apart and this will do nothing but hasten the problem.
    So what you're saying is you are for blacks and women NOT being integrated into the military?

    Just like ANY organization, there are bad apples. We could kick all the minorities, gays, and women out of the military and there would STILL be rapes on civilians, murders, and a heap of other bad behavior. It's about as stupid as saying if there were no guns, there would be no more murder. While you would lower the death to guns, you wouldn't eliminate deaths.

    Just like you wouldn't elimiate bad behavior if you took out minorities, women, and gays.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What if I told you.....Homosexuality is more than just a violation of 'traditional morals'. It destroys individuals, attempts to destabilize the family and rots a nation across....
    I'd say you are provably wrong.
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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I do know that you cannot live two lifestyles in the military and that open homosexuality as a life style is incompatible with military service.

    Open homosexuality does not change just DADT. Once that happens they will have to change DOMA, allow marriage and let them move into housing. And THAT will cause problems.

    There is no good reason to do this and every reason not to. Service in the US military is not a right. Every country that has allowed it is a shell of their former military selves if they were ever any good at all. Open homosexuality is not the cause, it's a symptom. But it is real.

    It is much like the females. We kid ourselves. We say "They are fully integrated, they're just as good, it's ok." In some cases it is close to the truth. There are some very good female soldiers. No matter how good they are, they aren't the same. And we don't do different well.

    Black soldiers are no more "fully integrated" now than they were 30 years ago. Anyone that believes there isn't racism in the Army is a fool. And not just a bit. And not just one way.

    The Army is falling apart and this will do nothing but hasten the problem.
    I'd say this is the most ignorance I've seen displayed in quite a while.

    Misinformation, myths, and denial do not make for "fact" or informative debate.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    I'd say this is the most ignorance I've seen displayed in quite a while.

    Misinformation, myths, and denial do not make for "fact" or informative debate.
    What, you haven't seen how all those countries who allowed gays to serve openly have been invaded and conquered?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    I do know that you cannot live two lifestyles in the military and that open homosexuality as a life style is incompatible with military service.
    How is this incompatible? Please explain.

    Open homosexuality does not change just DADT. Once that happens they will have to change DOMA, allow marriage and let them move into housing. And THAT will cause problems.
    Why? And what problems? The only problem i can think of is intolerance.

    There is no good reason to do this and every reason not to.
    Yet you cannot name them.
    "They are fully integrated, they're just as good, it's ok." In some cases it is close to the truth. There are some very good female soldiers. No matter how good they are, they aren't the same. And we don't do different well.

    Black soldiers are no more "fully integrated" now than they were 30 years ago. Anyone that believes there isn't racism in the Army is a fool. And not just a bit. And not just one way.
    Have you been on a military base even remotely recently? The vast majority of people in the military are not racist or sexist when it comes down to it.

    I'm sorry to say this, and I honestly try not to on these forums, but you are ignorant.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Aren't you worried you'll catch gay?
    A tent full of hetero guys acts a hell of a lot gayer (flirting, jokes, etc) then any gay man I ever met. Typical locker-room stuff only 24/7/365.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So what you're saying is you are for blacks and women NOT being integrated into the military?

    Just like ANY organization, there are bad apples. We could kick all the minorities, gays, and women out of the military and there would STILL be rapes on civilians, murders, and a heap of other bad behavior. It's about as stupid as saying if there were no guns, there would be no more murder. While you would lower the death to guns, you wouldn't eliminate deaths.

    Just like you wouldn't elimiate bad behavior if you took out minorities, women, and gays.
    Random noise from the peanut gallery here: Yes, women should be taken out of the military, because they refuse to meet the same standard as men. It's not only PT, it's behavior, accommodation and job performance as well.

    Gays should be allowed because they perform to standard and do not disrupt "good order and discipline". Women do. Gays do not require a host of special treatment.

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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I do know that you cannot live two lifestyles in the military and that open homosexuality as a life style is incompatible with military service.
    How is a "homosexual lifestyle" different than a "heterosexual lifestyle"? And why is it that the "homosexual lifestyle" would clash with the "military lifestyle, but the "heterosexual lifestyle" (especially of young military men and women) doesn't?

    I was active duty Navy for almost ten years. The young straight men were way more promiscuous than the gay men I knew. My division knew who was gay and who wasn't and none of us cared. The only thing that mattered to us was that you did your job because we needed every person we could get who was competent enough to do the job. Every time we lost a person (or two) to DADT, it made someone else's life in my department that much worse.
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    Re: Wash. has enough votes to legalize gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes, women should be taken out of the military, because they refuse to meet the same standard as men. It's not only PT, it's behavior, accommodation and job performance as well.
    What is it exactly that women "refuse" to do? Not being snide here. Honestly don't know, and would like to know.

    (sorry for the thread-jack)

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